Waiting for Fitzgerald

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Neeeeew... the Catholics invented the religion of keeping the trash in check. That shit the trailer folks in the bible belt worship in their stadium churches is the favored myth of the American Inbred. That religion actually empowers those uneducated vermin to start fucking around with politics. The Catholic Church was all about keeping the believers complacent and tithing.

So? That does not mean that their God supplanted the real One.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think that there is an argument to be made that "Christian values" could exclude the teaching of explicit descriptions of sex acts between people of any genders, the same or different, to highschool students.

Is homosexuality an absolute wrong, or is it one of those things that God doesn't really care about?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Is homosexuality an absolute wrong, or is it one of those things that God doesn't really care about?

I don't think cares as long as people are married.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Perhaps you did. So what? I did not say "christian values" preclude including curricula that contains explicit sexual descriptions or themes, in part. I said that there is an argument that could be made that the term "christian values" included in the mission statement, as it was in that school's mission statement, could preclude such teaching.

Are you saying that it's not possible that a reasonable person, in the context of sending their child to a school whose mission it is, explicitly, to impart "christian values" couldn't come to that conclusion?

"There is an argument that could be made..." That's moral relativity Penske. Does this mean that God may have absolutes, but we mere mortals have to deal with conflicting rights, values, principles, and interests? Can people strike a balance?

If so, then what help does your profession of absolute right and wrongs offer us? If it is at best an aspiration, then what is left is compromise. Have I got this right or am I missing something?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
So? That does not mean that their God supplanted the real One.

Huh? Are you trying to say the Jews have the one true franchise on God? If age of religion is the criteria, I'll grant the Jews beat the Catholics. But I think the Zoarastrians and Druids have everybody beat.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
"There is an argument that could be made..." That's moral relativity Penske. Does this mean that God may have absolutes, but we mere mortals have to deal with conflicting rights, values, principles, and interests? Can people strike a balance?

If so, then what help does your profession of absolute right and wrongs offer us? If it is at best an aspiration, then what is left is compromise. Have I got this right or am I missing something?

You are missing something. It's a person's expectation that I was referencing. That's subject to the subjective interest of the expectant party.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think that there is a difference between using an explicit in a heated/emotional context and having a standing nickname for a subordinate worker that incorporates an explicitive. It is even more offputting when its the PotUS coining/using the nickname and the subordinate is the FBI Director. I think the office calls for a little more decorum, respect and dignity. If he called Freeh a fucker once, I could understand it. If its a standing nickname, something different.

Would it be better if he had called Freeh Turd Blossom?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Huh? Are you trying to say the Jews have the one true franchise on God? If age of religion is the criteria, I'll grant the Jews beat the Catholics. But I think the Zoarastrians and Druids have everybody beat.

I used to be a zoroastrian, fwiw. I may yet convert to judaism.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Wonk says if the President orders the military to war then they the President has murdered. We all agree Bill did that. Are you and Wonk breaking ranks here?

Wonk didn't say that. Penske said it. Wonk just quoted him and asked Penske to confirm it or to explain the contradiction between his statement that killing is an absolute wrong and his statement that he did not oppose the war in Iraq.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I disagree. I assume Bush is not telling the truth when he says he has never discussed abortion with him. I also assume that she has told him she is anti-RvW and would overturn it. That's not my litmus test and I think soime of the commentators are making a more principled argument too. She is not qualified. Period. She could promise to overturn Roe v Wade. Pour a couple of bottles of 85 Lafitte Rothschilde down my gullet and blow me till the cows come home, npi, and I still wouldn't support the nominiation. But I understand that it's hard for a leftie to understand principle.

What is the principle here?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Would it be better if he had called Freeh Turd Blossom?

I know your point is to be irritating, but that is stupid. Presumably TB is an assented to nickname between two friends. I think it must be a frat culture type of thing. I had a friend once who went by the nickname Asshole. Sometimes it would also have his name included, like AssholeMike. He referred to himself like this and a certain clique of his friends did likewise. That's completely distinct from me referring to the associate down the hall to other people who work in the office as DouchebagSlave. No offence. That's classless and inappropriate for any workplace (I would probably get fired if mgmt found out) for any employee in a position of authority, or otherwise but more so an authority figure to a subordinate. Even more so for the PotUS, based on the status of the office.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I don't think cares as long as people are married.

So you learned to like the anal only after getting married? Didn't take the fiancee for a test drive?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Wonk didn't say that. Penske said it. Wonk just quoted him and asked Penske to confirm it or to explain the contradiction between his statement that killing is an absolute wrong and his statement that he did not oppose the war in Iraq.

Wrong, regardless of my position, you are attempting to attribute those deaths to Bush, when in fact our enemy, the terrorists, killed them.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Perhaps we are in the early innings of the apocalypse. I am thankful we are on the right side.

You're ducking the questions, Penske. You have proclaimed for years to be more principled and more moral and superior to the Democrats (under a number of generalities designed to inflame rather than stimulate serious debate).

Either admit you're in checkmate of make your next move. After all, by your own assertion, the very soul of the American People is at stake.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
So you learned to like the anal only after getting married? Didn't take the fiancee for a test drive?

A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell. And Hank's wife was never my fiance.