A Forum for Grinches and Ho-Ho-Hoes

[Hank Chinaski]

those of you who still think the Democratic party has some legs- please read this.

By 2030, the 2-party system will be anti-abortion Reps. and pro-choice repubs.

Adder I can just imagine this to be true, but do you see the Party of Ms. Boxer as being around still? First read this----

by Barbara Boxer
Thu Jan 27th, 2005 at 14:11:07 PST

(From the diaries — kos)

I can’t thank all of you enough — the Daily Kos community, and the blogosphere as a whole — for all of your effective work during the recent debate over Condoleezza Rice’s nomination. Your support and participation in this critical debate meant so much to me.

More than 94,000 Americans from across the country signed my petition and stood together to demand the truth from Condoleezza Rice. It was truly an overwhelming response — much more than I could have anticipated. You helped to get our message out to millions of Americans — I couldn’t have done it without you.

And you made a difference. You gave me the voice I needed to ask the tough questions during Dr. Rice’s confirmation hearings. And you gave the entire United States Senate the voice it needed to take its “advice and consent” responsibility seriously. In fact, Condoleezza Rice received 13 votes against her confirmation — the most votes against any Secretary of State’s nomination since 1825.

Two weeks ago, who would have thought that Condoleezza Rice’s nomination would allow us to have a full debate about our policy in Iraq? Who would have thought that we’d have the chance to truly expose all of the misstatements and misjudgments that led us into that conflict and continue to plague this Administration to this very day?

The Republican Senate leadership intended to easily approve Dr. Rice’s nomination in a routine voice vote last Thursday afternoon, after President Bush’s Inauguration and before the Inaugural balls got into full swing.

But you didn’t let them ram this nomination through the Senate. You forced the Republican leadership to give us the debate we wanted on the floor of the United States Senate, and you gave us the opportunity we desperately needed to hold Dr. Rice and the Bush Administration accountable for their failures in Iraq and in the war on terrorism.

The American people deserved no less.

As you and I both know, this is just one more of the many battles we’ll be having as we fight for our nation’s future. It started with contesting the Ohio vote, it continued with the debate over Dr. Rice’s confirmation, and it will certainly continue over the Gonzalez nomination and on many other looming issues. We’re going to need to keep working together to make our voices heard and build a better America.

I enjoyed the dialogue we started over the past few weeks, including the chat I had with Armando and DavidNYC on the eve of the committee hearings, and I look forward to future interactions with the Daily Kos community. I hope to have the time to drop by here and participate in the discussion from time to time — I value your input, and I thank you for caring so much about the future of our country.

Thanks again for all of your hard work. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your continued support. And I look forward to standing with you in the days, weeks, and months ahead.

In Friendship,

Barbara Boxer

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I can’t thank all of you enough — the Daily Kos community, and the blogosphere as a whole — for all of your effective work during the recent debate over Condoleezza Rice’s nomination. Your support and participation in this critical debate meant so much to me.

In Friendship,

Barbara Boxer

Kerry/Boxer 2008!

I'm starting my own 527. Get your donations in now.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
those of you who still think the Democratic party has some legs- please read this. [/i]

The most interesting thing about the Rice fight is that it is fucking up DEM stronghold constituencies. Many black civil rights leaders have lined up with the President and publicly condemned the left. Bush has also started gaining traction with his efforts to marginalize the NAACP, and is instead going directly to the black church leaders. Setting aside the legacy of the Civil Rights Movement (which, indeed is a large set aside), blacks, being more culturally conservative than the average American, are a natural constituency for the GOP. By 2012, I bet the GOP will have 30-40% support in the black community.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by sgtclub
....blacks, being more culturally conservative than the average American,

Cite?

Originally posted by sgtclub
By 2012, I bet the GOP will have 30-40% support in the black community.

40% in 6 years? You're smokin dope!

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
40% in 6 years? You're smokin dope!

Where I come from, your exclamatory would be considered the highest of chiming-in praise.

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
those of you who still think the Democratic party has some legs- please read this.

Yeah, imagine that - the silly assholes think they have a right to ask questions about foriegn policy during the Sec. of State confirmation process, and actually fuck up W's carefully planned party schedule.

Why don't they get with the program, bend over and spread like the rest of us? Victory is at hand and things have never been better. In fact, I think Barbara Boxer is a fucking traitor.*

* Apologies if Anne Coulter already invented this.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Cite?

40% in 6 years? You're smokin dope!

Ah! So that's how the R's have been making policy. Suddenly, it all makes sense...

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by ironweed
Yeah, imagine that - the silly assholes think they have a right to ask questions about foriegn policy during the Sec. of State confirmation process, and actually fuck up W's carefully planned party schedule.

Why don't they get with the program, bend over and spread like the rest of us? Victory is at hand and things have never been better. In fact, I think Barbara Boxer is a fucking traitor.*

* Apologies if Anne Coulter already invented this.

Apparently you forgot that Dems are required to support anyone who is black. Isn't that Hank's point?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Apparently you forgot that Dems are required to support anyone who is black. Isn't that Hank's point?

No. I didn't mean that at all. Kos is a wack job blog. she posts a letter there telling it that she was so grateful etc. It would be similar to a Rep. leader posting on LGF.

People are sick of the insanity- she challenged Ohio results for god's sakes. You will lose the middle of the road voter permanently. In 2008 you will lose Pennslyvania. In 2012 Michigan. You are doomed by your wacky fringe.

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
No. I didn't mean that at all. Kos is a wack job blog. she posts a letter there telling it that she was so grateful etc. It would be similar to a Rep. leader posting on LGF.

People are sick of the insanity- she challenged Ohio results for god's sakes. You will lose the middle of the road voter permanently. In 2008 you will lose Pennslyvania. In 2012 Michigan. You are doomed by your wacky fringe.

Leave ltl/fb out of this.

But you have a point. Maybe the thing to do is put the wacky fringe in control of the party. Worked for the GOP.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
You are doomed by your wacky fringe.

Everyone who listens to these words of mine, and acts on them, will be like a wise man, who built his house on a rock:

The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew, and buffeted the house, but it did not collapse; it has been set solidly on rock.

And everyone who listens to these words of mine, but does not act on them, will be like a fool who built his house on sand:

The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew, and buffeted the house, and it collapsed and was completely ruined.

Tom DeLay, January 4, 2005, shortly after the tsunami
Matthew, shortly after Jesus died

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Cite?

40% in 6 years? You're smokin dope!

This is common knowledge. See e.g., the treatment of gays in the black community and the related topic of gay marriage.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
People are sick of the insanity- she challenged Ohio results for god's sakes. You will lose the middle of the road voter permanently. In 2008 you will lose Pennslyvania. In 2012 Michigan. You are doomed by your wacky fringe.

If only both parties would be doomed by their wacky fringes, we could start over and actually get somewhere. On the Repub side, Pat Buchannon isn't even whackadoo fringe anymore. And it's sad that Boxer is hogging all the press like she thinks she's some Dem poster child, but Hillary is considered unelectable nationally.

I propose the sane amongst us found the Liberal Party.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Another right-wing columnist caught with his hand in the Bush propaganda cookie jar --

• "One day after President Bush ordered his Cabinet secretaries to stop hiring commentators to help promote administration initiatives, and one day after the second high-profile conservative pundit was found to be on the federal payroll, a third embarrassing hire has emerged. Salon has confirmed that Michael McManus, a marriage advocate whose syndicated column, "Ethics & Religion," appears in 50 newspapers, was hired as a subcontractor by the Department of Health and Human Services to foster a Bush-approved marriage initiative. McManus championed the plan in his columns without disclosing to readers he was being paid to help it succeed."

Yesterday (or was it Wednesday?) Maureen Dowd announced she was leaving the left wing liberal media elite to enlist with the right wing media elite, because "They get paid better."

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Cheney in Auschwitz -