Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
This is slow pitch son. You going to argue this way, you stay on their side- hear?

Point being there's no difference between signing the inevitable and interjecting oneself into a process from which the constitution excludes you?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Point being there's no difference between signing the inevitable and interjecting oneself into a process from which the constitution excludes you?

Presidents can do executive orders now to get around the constitution- where have you been?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by bilmore
Willie Horton was a Gore primary issue.

Two words for you, BB.

Horse.

Shit.

At a single debate during the primaries, Gore asked Dukakis about "furloughs." Didn't mention "Willie Horton." Didn't run his pictures. The issue didn't take.

During the post-primary campaign, Lee Atwater picked up the ball and ran with it. Unlike the Bush campaign, Gore didn't run photos. Didn't make it a centerpiece of his campaign. Didn't seek to play on fears of a liberal president letting black rapists roam the streets.

Let's assume, for argument's sake, that I'm wrong -- that Gore in fact did every one of those things. So what? I mentioned Horton to refute the suggestion that Republicans "have never" pushed the fear button in their campaigns. Do you dispute that the Willie Horton ads were based on fear? Do you dispute that the Bush campaign ran them?

Or do you claim that, if a Dem candidate also mentioned the issue, then the Repub use of it doesn't "count"?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Presidents can do executive orders now to get around the constitution- where have you been?

Trying to escape the collapsing tent. Uh-oh, there went another pole. And it seems to be taking the federalism one with it.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Point being there's no difference between signing the inevitable and interjecting oneself into a process from which the constitution excludes you?

Dude. Don't defend Clinton on this one.

I love the man and consider him among the greatest presidents in a very long time. But signing DOMA was chicken-shit. Not as sickening as calling for an amendment, but chicken-shit nonetheless.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Two words for you, BB.

Horse.

Shit.

At a single debate during the primaries, Gore asked Dukakis about "furloughs." Didn't mention "Willie Horton." Didn't run his pictures. The issue didn't take.

During the post-primary campaign, Lee Atwater picked up the ball and ran with it. Unlike the Bush campaign, Gore didn't run photos. Didn't make it a centerpiece of his campaign. Didn't seek to play on fears of a liberal president letting black rapists roam the streets.

Let's assume, for argument's sake, that I'm wrong -- that Gore in fact did every one of those things. So what? I mentioned Horton to refute the suggestion that Republicans "have never" pushed the fear button in their campaigns. Do you dispute that the Willie Horton ads were based on fear? Do you dispute that the Bush campaign ran them?

Or do you claim that, if a Dem candidate also mentioned the issue, then the Repub use of it doesn't "count"?

I was making a joke- Bush I invented the bullshit fear campaign.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
he's probably spent more time rounding up and working cattle than most straight Texans.

I have to admit, this line makes me giggle.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Trying to escape the collapsing tent. Uh-oh, there went another pole. And it seems to be taking the federalism one with it.

Ah. you're forgetting most of us studied law with a focused practice in mind. As more of us get to the Federal bench, what the constitution may or maynot say doesn't matter because we didn't study it.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Dude. Don't defend Clinton on this one.

No, I'm amplifying my outrage at bush in comparison. go check my posts in 1998 to confirm.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Sure, yet we still have only 27 amendments, and only 16 since 1800, and 2 of those cancel each other out.

Ultimately, I doubt it will go any further than a flag-burning amendment.

Yeah, I realized after posting that I'm probably influenced by TX where we do amend the Constitution pretty much every election, it seems like. Sorry.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Ah. you're forgetting most of us studied law with a focused practice in mind. As more of us get to the Federal bench, what the constitution may or maynot say doesn't matter because we didn't study it.

Don't worry, the job comes with a cheat sheet from the WHC.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Two words for you, BB.

Horse.

Shit.

Two words for you, SF:

(Well, okay, more than two: )

A. I was responding to your quick and careless whip-out to what (I'm assuming) was a joke. Reflex with "Horton", get "Gore".

B. Gore brought out that specific furlough program with the leading questions. It was clear where he was going. Unfortunately for him, he then dropped out of the race a few days later. He was set to use it. It was D's weakest point, one that was costing him big in his own state already. And, remind yourself - it wasn't a racial thing, it was a crime thing.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
If you are outside Manhatten or DC you might be surprised how much fear, or hate, or whatever it is, there is.

I read an interesting thing a few months ago about people who decided that Dean was gay because he supported civil unions as governor and because he didn't campaign with his wife.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I read an interesting thing a few months ago about people who decided that Dean was gay because he supported civil unions as governor and because he didn't campaign with his wife.

Oh sweetie- you do care!

Ahhhemmmm.......

The most interesting theory that I've heard so far - which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved - is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now, who knows what the real situation is?

[bilmore]

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