Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
Well, he is on my no-sex crush list.

What's a "no-sex crush list"?

More importantly, what is the point of being on a no-sex crush list? I doubt I'd view membership on that list as a compliment.


Sidd(would prefer being on a no-crush sex list)Finch

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Count me in among those who have seen it before. The original Gangs of New York. I'm not sure why Taxwonk hated it so much. A Beau Geste of modern life.

You missed my point entirely. I love it. I watch it almost every time it comes on cable.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
What's a "no-sex crush list"?

It means I heart him and have a crush on him but have no desire to depose him. I simply want him to come to my party.

It is definitely better to be on a no-crush sex list, but it is hard to make this list since you don't typically know the names of the people on the list. For example, an entry on a sex crush list might read "Johnny Depp." Same entry on a no-crush sex list might read "some random wino." See what I mean?

I confuse me.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
To Fugee's great (and enthusiastic -- I love new fans) analysis I would add:

1. I played hockey as a kid, I think that helps a person to develop a love of the sport. My dad used to flood the backyard for me to use as a rink -- how cool is that?
2. It helps to grow up in a cold, snowy, miserable climate where there is nothing to do but stay indoors during frigid evenings and watch hockey.
3. Finally, for Gwinky's sake, some of these guys are real hotties. It is important to note that back in the 70s when I was growing up on hockey helmets were not mandatory so many of the guys were pretty beat up and toothlessly fugly.

Now go and rent Slap Shot and tell me what is not to love about hockey.

It is like we are the same person (same backyard rink, same frigid miserable hockey-watching climate). Except (as I've mentioned before, I think, perhaps ad nauseum), I'm rather fond of the scarred, beat up, teeth knocked-out look.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I still remember the firestorm of controversy over the use of "penis breath" as an insult in "E.T." This was back when PG meant that parents were urged to be present for the movie and provide some guidance. Now, of course, it means that it's perfectly in line with primetime television and therefore entirely healthful for any child over the age of ten to watch -- i.e., "not R."

Similarly*, an "R" rating used to mean you were pretty much guaranteed some gratuitous breasticles, and maybe even a muff shot (Porky's, anyone?). Now an "R" rating means they say "fuck" a few times.



*Or differently, since as usual I don't quite understand your point, perhaps because I don't know if you can say "penis breath" on primetime non-cable TV.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
*Or differently, since as usual I don't quite understand your point, perhaps because I don't know if you can say "penis breath" on primetime non-cable TV.

No, you understood my crotchety point entirely. The world has changed since E.T., in that now parents think PG means the film has been vetted for general appropriateness. It doesn't --- it simply means the MPAA won't stop your child from seeing the movie.

Pre-"Gremlins," there was no PG-13. PG meant that the film had adult themes that required parental guidance, but the film might be harmless --- even healthy --- for children under 18 if that guidance was forthcoming. Because of the broad range of films in the PG category, adults had to make a decision about whether an individual film was appropriate, because the MPAA was merely putting up a yellow light. (My parents pre-screened "Star Wars" for my six year old self, and decided I could handle it if I watched it with them.)

Now, with the creation of PG-13, all need for parental guidance for straight PG movies is off the radar screen. If it's PG, it's appropriate for kids both over and under 13 (sayeth America, though in fairness the MPAA didn't desire this result). So many parents now just use all ratings as an index of the number of times the "s" word is used.

The whole rating system is mostly fucked. Roger Ebert recently made the point that "Whale Rider" got a PG-13 because of one "shit," one "damn," three non-sexual references to "dicks," and a hash pipe in the background of one shot. Meanwhile, all of the Star Wars movies got straight PGs, even though a few of them involved entire planets of people being murdered in wide shots. Ebert went on to say that any film rating system that puts "Whale Rider" in the same category as "Charlie's Angels Full Throttle" and "2 Fast 2 Furious" vis-a-vis their appropriateness for kids has "lost all reason." I think he might have intended the double entendre.

[SlaveNoMore]

Atticus Grinch
Pre-"Gremlins," there was no PG-13.

"Red Dawn" was actually the first film released as PG-13, oh Mr. Pedantic one.

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
"Red Dawn" was actually the first film released as PG-13, oh Mr. Pedantic one.

Ooh, ooh, ooh - I know the answer to the next question ...
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"The Flamingo Kid" was the first film to be given a PG-13 rating, but sat on the shelves for five months before being released, during which time "Red Dawn" was released.

What do I win?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Pre-"Gremlins," there was no PG-13.

The subdivision of PG into PG and PG-13 doesn't really explain the purging of breasts from R-rated movies. Which I personally view as a cultural tragedy (though, as always, it depends on the tits).

The whole rating system is mostly fucked. Roger Ebert recently made the point that "Whale Rider" got a PG-13 because of one "shit," one "damn," three non-sexual references to "dicks," and a hash pipe in the background of one shot. Meanwhile, all of the Star Wars movies got straight PGs, even though a few of them involved entire planets of people being murdered in wide shots.

Violence has never been on a par with sex or swearing in the MPAA world, or in the world of Middle America. Violence -- unless it's really bloody, ugly violence (as opposed to the clean and fun kind of killing) -- is just not viewed as that big a deal.

I remember in college, an older student commented how she couldn't protect her teenage kids from watching videos at friends' houses, and mentioned Top Gun -- she thought the flying parts were fine, but the "other stuff", shudddder. In other words, blowing people up, good. Tits, bad.

This contrasts sharply with my worldview.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
"Red Dawn" was actually the first film released as PG-13, oh Mr. Pedantic one.

Things are different now.

[Atticus Grinch]

Me:
Pre-"Gremlins," there was no PG-13.

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
"Red Dawn" was actually the first film released as PG-13, oh Mr. Pedantic one.

My post remains a true statement, Monsieur Assclam. As any schoolboy knows, the PG-13 rating was created in response to the furor over the cartoonish gore of "Gremlins" (PG) and "Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom" (PG). That's why I used it as the watershed, though admittedly it's just opposite "Red Dawn" on the other side.

[ias_39]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch

I wasn't allowed to see R-rated movies in 1979

I'm not surprised you grew up in a locale where movie theaters actually enforced the ratings system. I credit your effeminacy to insufficient exposure to cinematic sex and violence in your youth.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
The subdivision of PG into PG and PG-13 doesn't really explain the purging of breasts from R-rated movies. Which I personally view as a cultural tragedy (though, as always, it depends on the tits).

As further proof that the world was made worse, not better, by the creation of PG 13, older PG movies occasionally involved revealed breasticles. Two examples I found were "Logan's Run" and "Clash of the Titans."*

*bridge of love disclosure: Contains Googled information.

[ias_39]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch

Violence has never been on a par with sex or swearing in the MPAA world, or in the world of Middle America. Violence -- unless it's really bloody, ugly violence (as opposed to the clean and fun kind of killing) -- is just not viewed as that big a deal.

No duh, when Midnight Cowboy was originally released, it was considered shocking that Voight was a "hustler." In contrast, the countless casualties in "Red Dawn" raised few eyebrows.

[Jack Manfred]

Originally posted by Connect_the_Dots
Traci Lords (CryBaby) betrayed their craft for the almighty dollar. At least will still have some people like Anastasia Blue who make films worth watching.

Traci Lords was blackballed (so to speak) from the Adult Video Industry after nearly destroying it with her underage performances. The only legal Traci Lords adult title is Traci, I Love You, which she self-produced. (Haven't seen it, that's what Less is for.) While being a porn auteur might be her calling, I think she's still going to try (and fail) to be a mainstream star.

Tara Reid, on the other hand, is about one meth binge away from a weekend in the Valley where she (and the world) discover her true talent lies in not merely playing Bunny Lebowski but in being Bunny Lebowski. Picture a world where she and Asia Carerra triumphanty reunite for Logjammin' 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Oh, and Cube was good. I don't normally like horror/thriller movies, but it was an exception. Dogma was not good, but I think Alanis peaked on "You Can't Do That On Television."