Politics: A new beginning

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Typo in what I posted -- I meant that he's mobilizing lefty voters without adopting positions that will play poorly in the general election.

Typo or Freudian slip?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Could I get URL's to both blogs? (And you can add the has-been Johnny Depp to your traitorous barometers).

I'll put a list together tonight. (Most are on the home computers.)

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Of course, the insurgents probably dragged all the bodies away. I'll bet they hid them in Syria.

Much as I hate to say it, good one.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I don't know. Were you really, really, really drunk?

No. In fact I was sober. And really don't care about anyone's opinion of me. Just wanted to use the words drunk and horny on a board other than the FB.

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Are you insinuating that Dean has a drinking problem?

Interesting that you bring that up. I don't know if he does or does not have a drinking problem or even if he drinks for that matter. However, he does remind me of a sober alcoholic. I don't know if you know any of those (since most aren't all that successful in maintaining sobriety). I know a couple of them and even though they have been sober for years, they still have that alcoholic personality. Dean reminds me of them.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Not Me
Typo or Freudian slip?

Since the error related to Ty's prediction regarding whether Dean's positions would anger the collective consciousness of a group of which Ty is merely a solitary member, I think you meant "Jungian slip."

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Not Me
However, he does remind me of a sober alcoholic. I don't know if you know any of those (since most aren't all that successful in maintaining sobriety). I know a couple of them and even though they have been sober for years, they still have that alcoholic personality. Dean reminds me of them.

Then a Dean v. Bush election would be a fascinating matchup, yes?

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Typo in what I posted -- I meant that he's mobilizing lefty voters without adopting positions that will play poorly in the general election.

So are you saying that Dean's anti-war stance won't play poorly in the general election?

Wouldn't Gephardt or Kerry be better general election candidates?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Then a Dean v. Bush election would be a fascinating matchup, yes?

A better matchup would be a drinking contest between the two. Looks like Dean would have no problem throw them back and Bush, well . . . I'd pay for it on pay per view.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Then a Dean v. Bush election would be a fascinating matchup, yes?

I do think that would make for a much more lively election campaign than Bush v. any of the other Democratic candidates (with the exception of Sharpton, of course). But not for the reasons you imply.

I should clarify that there does seem to be two types, maybe more, of alcoholics - the happy drunk and the angry drunk. Bush strikes me as more the happy drunk.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Me
I should clarify that there does seem to be two types, maybe more, of alcoholics - the happy drunk and the angry drunk. Bush strikes me as more the happy drunk.

The most interesting theory that I've heard so far - which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved - is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now, who knows what the real situation is?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
So are you saying that Dean's anti-war stance won't play poorly in the general election?

Wouldn't Gephardt or Kerry be better general election candidates?

Good politicians get different people to hear different messages. Look at Bush. He convinced evangelicals and military people (e.g., in the South Carolina primary) that he was with them, and then ran in the general election as more of a moderate. What he later did is not the point -- he was able to speak to different groups. I think Dean is a talented politician, and is in the middle of pulling the same sort of trick. If you look at his record and his background, he's more centrist than most of the other Dem candidates. And I don't think swing voters are paying attention to him right now. Governors have to do this sort of thing more often than legislators do -- Gephardt and Kerry are so focused on how to position themselves vis-a-vis competitors that they miss out on the dynamic aspect of building support.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Gephardt and Kerry are so focused on how to position themselves vis-a-vis competitors that they miss out on the dynamic aspect of building support.

The most interesting theory that I've heard so far - which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved - is that they were warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now, who knows what the real situation is?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Gephardt and Kerry are so focused on how to position themselves vis-a-vis competitors that they miss out on the dynamic aspect of building support.

G and K are looking to where they need to be in a contest with Bush. Dean is simply running against G and K. Problem for G and K is, they are taking a long-term strategy, but may never get to use it. Problem for Dean is, his short-term strategy makes him unelectable amongst the general voting population.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by bilmore
G and K are looking to where they need to be in a contest with Bush. Dean is simply running against G and K. Problem for G and K is, they are taking a long-term strategy, but may never get to use it. Problem for Dean is, his short-term strategy makes him unelectable amongst the general voting population.

Disagree in part. I agree with Ty that Dean thinks the primary is wrapped up and is moving right to secure support in the general.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by bilmore
G and K are looking to where they need to be in a contest with Bush. Dean is simply running against G and K. Problem for G and K is, they are taking a long-term strategy, but may never get to use it. Problem for Dean is, his short-term strategy makes him unelectable amongst the general voting population.

Am I nuts?

Dean went on a talk show and gave credibility to a bt level rumor that Bush "got a phone call", but didn't stop 9/11. I know sometimes i miss stuff, and for sure most of you guys know more than me, but doesn't that quote make you want to say "forget Dean, he is obviously far too craven to be President?" I read that and I think Martin Sheen in Dead Zone bad guy. Oh, and depostion backstop, I don't mean make you think those exact words, just the general thought.