All Hank, all the time.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Some arrogant asshole with a ridiculously long list that drowns the many good points it makes by burying them in smug, arrogant hyperbole

Steven Plaut needs to learn that brevity is the soul of wit.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub

• 1. Nice fences do not stop missiles, rockets, and mortars.
  
  2. Complete removal of Israeli forces and Jewish settlers from an area does not achieve anything positive, but merely signals Israeli weakness, inviting escalated terror and aggression from Israel’s enemies.
  
  3. Hezbollah and Hamas cannot be defeated with air strikes. There is no effective alternative to ground invasion and ongoing control of the ground.
  
  4. Unless the Israeli military controls the ground on the other side of fences, those fences achieve nothing.
  
  5. Goodwill gestures by Israel tend to increase terror and invite further demands.
  
  6. Goodwill gestures by Israel never produce moderation of Arab goals and demands, but rather produce the opposite.
  
  7. Terror is not caused by settlements, but rather fueled by the removal of settlements.
  
  8. Terror is not caused by Israeli military occupation, but rather allowed to flourish with the removal of Israeli military occupation.
  
  9. It is impossible for there to be two sovereign entities between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean.
  
  10. No matter how many concessions Israel makes, the world will always justify Arab terrorism, because there is always one more capitulation that Israel has failed to make (e.g., giving up the “Shebaa Farm” on the Golan Heights).
  
  11. No matter how nice Israel is to Israeli Arabs, no matter how many affirmative-action programs it implements, it will always be accused of being an “apartheid regime.”
  
  12. Much of the Israeli far Left is essentially an anti-Semitic movement that seeks Israel’s destruction and automatically endorses the enemies of Israel in all things.
  
  13. The Israeli Labor party and its Kadima cousin may be more effective at fighting terror, once they decide to do so, than Likud. The reason is that if Likud were fighting terror, the Israeli Left would take to the streets in mass demonstrations against Israeli imperialism and aggression, and the leftist Israeli media would declare that 400,000 protesters turned out.
  
  14. The Israeli Left will oppose every conceivable act of Israeli self-defense, other than total capitulation.
  
  
  
  15. Jewish far-leftism is a very real enemy of Israel.
  
  16. Some international observers don’t mind seeing Jewish civilians murdered by terrorists, and will applaud and justify all such murders as comeuppances for the Jews’ being so insensitive.
  
  17. Israeli niceness and flexibility often encourage and embolden anti-Semites.
  
  18. Israel-bashing is often driven by anti-Semitism, and many Israel-bashers are increasingly open about their delight at seeing Jewish civilians murdered.
  
  19. Israeli pursuit of the “peace process” has triggered a worldwide storm of anti-Semitism.
  
  20. Terrorists cannot be appeased.
  
  21. Arab terrorists do not morph into statesmen.
  
  22. Looking for Palestinian moderates in politics is a fruitless endeavor.
  
  23. Many Israel-bashers do not care about dead Arab civilians, other than as a useful bludgeon with which to de-legitimize Israel.
  
  24. Much of the Western Left would celebrate the destruction of Israel.
  
  25. The vast majority of Israeli Arabs want to see Israel destroyed and the Jews thrown into the sea.
  
  26. There are hundreds of Jewish professors in Israel who serve as an academic fifth column for terrorism and will do almost anything to collaborate with the enemies of their country.
  
  27. The Arabs will not accept an independent Israel in any set of borders, no matter how small. Thus nothing can be achieved by reducing Israel’s territory, other than signalling weakness and vulnerability.
  
  28. Much of the Western media believes that there are no problems on earth that could not be greatly ameliorated by destroying Israel.
  
  29. Most of the governments of Europe seem not to believe Jews should be allowed to defend themselves from aggression.
  
  30. The only country on earth that is expected to respond to the mass murder of its civilians by turning the other cheek is Israel. The only country on earth that has spent many years trying to defeat terrorism by turning the other cheek is Israel.
  
  31. Whenever Israel responds firmly to aggression and terrorism, it will always be criticized for a “disproportionate” response.
  
  32. Most of those who claim that anti-Zionism is different from anti-Semitism are anti-Semites.
  
  33. The only people on earth whom the Left believes should be denied the right to self-determination and self-defense are the Jews.
  
  34. “Palestinians” are not a people and never were. They are simply Arabs who happened to migrate into historic Western Palestine. They have no right to statehood.
  
  35. The Golan Heights are not “Syrian” and never were.
  
  36. Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein are anti-Semites, and so are many of their supporters.
  
  37. Israeli politicians are among the stupidest on earth.
  
  38. Israeli leftists never learn from the failures of their policies and “ideas.” Every failure is explained away by the fact that their policies were not applied thoroughly enough.
  
  39. The moral and legal responsibility for every single Arab civilian death or injury in the Middle East conflict rests squarely upon the shoulders of the aggressive Arab fascists and terrorists who have provoked Israel.
  
  40. There is no moral or legal reason for Israel to refrain from attacking terrorists and murderers when they hide among civilians.
  
  41. Many of the “anarchists” and others who protest against Israel’s security wall want the wall removed because they want terrorists to murder Jewish civilians.
  
  42. Palestinians are the Sudeten Germans of the Middle East.
  
  43. Israel has no obligation to share its water resources with the “Palestinians” or anyone else.
  
  44. There are no non-military solutions to the problem of terrorism.
  
  45. Talk of “peace” is revealing, because it is only necessary to consider making peace when you are faced with an enemy. Israel is faced with a host of committed enemies, and it is they who will not accept a fair peace settlement.
  
  46. There are no significant differences between the agenda of the PLO and the agenda of Hamas and Hezbollah.
  
  47. The Middle East conflict is not a marital spat. Going through the pretense of holding hands and holding talks does not calm tensions and achieves nothing.
  
  48. One cannot make peace by pretending that war does not exist.
  
  49. One cannot buy off anti-Semites and Islamofascists with trade concessions and subsidies.
  
  50. The only way to stop terrorism is to kill terrorists.
  
  —Steven Plaut is a professor at the University of Haifa.

Is there any one of those propositions you'd particularly like to discuss?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Is there any one of those propositions you'd particularly like to discuss?

How about this one:

50. The only way to stop terrorism is to kill terrorists.

I think he is slightly off here. It should be, "the only way to stop terrorism, is to kill and/or destroy, as the case may be, all of the terrorists, and any and all persons (individuals, entities, NGOS and/or state actors) who actively and/or passively, by intentional or negligent action, commission or omission, support and/or further the cause of terrorism and/or terrorists."

Thoughts?

eta: I also think he should add:

51. The Nobel Peace Prise Committee is anti-Semitic, and so is anyone who supported, endorsed or lauded Yasser Arafat's award of said Prise.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by sgtclub

• 43. Israel has no obligation to share its water resources with the “Palestinians” or anyone else.

I want to discuss this one.

I don't think we should have to share our water with the idiots in McMansions in the Central Valley. Find your own damn water. You knew it was a desert when you signed the contract.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
I want to discuss this one.

I don't think we should have to share our water with the idiots in McMansions in the Central Valley. Find your own damn water. You knew it was a desert when you signed the contract.

I never thought I would say this, but I agree with you. Fuck those valley fuckers.

More seriously SHP, I'm back in the saddle here again, so keep it on the straight and narrow, cuz I am watching you!

[Diane_Keaton]

So is the "Syrian Ministry of Religious Endowment" considered a government entity in Syria? Cause it's Deputy Minister this week did a radio address telling everyone, Muslims and Christians alike, that the "time has come" and it is now incumbent upon all on-Jews to commit jihad against the "Descendants of Apes and Pigs' (Jews, according to the guy).
Getting pretty close to "Kill All The Tutsi" radio in Rwanda, I'd say. Haven't heard the Syrian goverment step in to temper the call to jihad. Tell me again, what the religion of peace is?

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I never thought I would say this, but I agree with you. Fuck those valley fuckers.

More seriously SHP, I'm back in the saddle here again, so keep it on the straight and narrow, cuz I am watching you!

Yeah, well, better me than those Catholic junior high girls you got in so much trouble over.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by sgtclub

• 33. The only people on earth whom the Left believes should be denied the right to self-determination and self-defense are the Jews.

Not true. We like the trial lawyers and the Hollywood types just fine.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Tell me again, what the religion of peace is?

Do you mean "Religion of Peace and Tolerance"?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Yeah, well, better me than those Catholic junior high girls you got in so much trouble over.

I wish.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
How about this one:

50. The only way to stop terrorism is to kill terrorists.

I think he is slightly off here. It should be, "the only way to stop terrorism, is to kill and/or destroy, as the case may be, all of the terrorists, and any and all persons (individuals, entities, NGOS and/or state actors) who actively and/or passively, by intentional or negligent action, commission or omission, support and/or further the cause of terrorism and/or terrorists."

Thoughts?

eta: I also think he should add:

51. The Nobel Peace Prise Committee is anti-Semitic, and so is anyone who supported, endorsed or lauded Yasser Arafat's award of said Prise.

52. Do not enter a powered vehicle of any sort with a Kennedy male at the wheel.

Adam Karola (sp?)- "give the jews a chunk of the baja desert. leave what is Israel for those who claim it. the new Israel will flouish- the old die."

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by sgtclub

{a very long list}

Some are easy to agree with. Others are so snide and stupid as to be insulting (i.e., #1 -- who says that "nice fences DO stop rockets"?)

Others reveal a lot more about the author than anything else, e.g. the use of "air quotes" around the word Palestinians. Do such people not exist? (Or does the author consider them less than people?)

Others set up a false dichotomy -- i.e., settlements don't cause terrorism, removal of settlements does. This is stupid. Neither "causes" terrorism, but both contributed in some ways. Settlements certainly added fuel to the fire, making more people support the terrorists (and created targets for them). Removal contributed in some respects, by striking some terrorists as a sign of weakness. But trying to isolate this notion in this half-assed way is, well, half-assed.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Some are easy to agree with. Others are so snide and stupid as to be insulting (i.e., #1 -- who says that "nice fences DO stop rockets"?)

Others reveal a lot more about the author than anything else, e.g. the use of "air quotes" around the word Palestinians. Do such people not exist? (Or does the author consider them less than people?)

Others set up a false dichotomy -- i.e., settlements don't cause terrorism, removal of settlements does. This is stupid. Neither "causes" terrorism, but both contributed in some ways. Settlements certainly added fuel to the fire, making more people support the terrorists (and created targets for them). Removal contributed in some respects, by striking some terrorists as a sign of weakness. But trying to isolate this notion in this half-assed way is, well, half-assed.

We appear to have reached the point of agreement on at least some things about Israel. I'm glad. It makes me so blue when we fight.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by taxwonk
We appear to have reached the point of agreement on at least some things about Israel. I'm glad. It makes me so blue when we fight.

We agree on more than you think, I would guess.

But I truly, deeply believe that the left/Dems/liberals whatever you call them (us, or me) in this country need to convince themselves that the destruction of entities like Hezbollah is the world's A-number-one priority.

Among other reasons, because it is.

And because it gives us much more credibility when we point out that maybe invading countries that don't harbor or support such groups and are not remotely threatening to us isn't the best way to go about achieving that priority.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
We agree on more than you think, I would guess.

But I truly, deeply believe that the left/Dems/liberals whatever you call them (us, or me) in this country need to convince themselves that the destruction of entities like Hezbollah is the world's A-number-one priority.

Among other reasons, because it is.

And because it gives us much more credibility when we point out that maybe invading countries that don't harbor or support such groups and are not remotely threatening to us isn't the best way to go about achieving that priority.

2.

and on that note....... Ty mentions Zarquawi (sp?) and his al queda guys were allowed to roam free in Iraq, thus given us the moral imperitive to invade under the Sidd doctrine.

Hank Chinaski 298-23