Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck. - Page 148

sebastian_dangerfield · 10-11-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Not Bob
Sez you. I never engage in "self-loathing." As a (Not Italian) Catholic, I follow the rule that every sperm is sacred/every sperm is great/when a sperm is wasted/God gets quite irate.

I think the bible refers to jacking off as "spilling one's seed." But you raise an interesting point. Sperm can swin and are part of the very building blocks of life. I guess by extension women commit murder monthly and men commit... fuck, I am seriously going to hell.

sgtclub · 10-11-2004, 04:52 PM

The Boston Globe is reporting that Kerry has some off shore investments from the mid-80s I think. I'm not sure why this is relevant, but . . .

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/p.../day5/tax1.htm

Secret_Agent_Man · 10-11-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
(Italy's voters chose a Kerry-clone. NYT front page. Germany's voters reject the Kerry-clone. Very small blurb. Chirac's bribery stories. Not so much. Ink problem in Afghanistan. Big news. )

You have managed to simultaneously offend Silvio Berlusconi (Mr. President, it sounds like it is spelled) and John Kerry. Congratulations.

S_A_M

Replaced_Texan · 10-11-2004, 04:55 PM

Kuffman is collecting anti-DeLay editorials here.

bilmore · 10-11-2004, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
You have managed to simultaneously offend Silvio Berlusconi (Mr. President, it sounds like it is spelled) and John Kerry. Congratulations.

You say this like they're bad things.

(I offended a man who allegedly bribes the hell out of the system, and then passes a wildly unpopular law, just now annulled, granting himself immunity? I think he has thicker skin than you credit.)

Secret_Agent_Man · 10-11-2004, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
In a temporary defense of the media, the LA Times does have a very nice article today about how happy the Afghans are with the elections. I saw a few yesterday too, including one surprising quote somewhere-or-other about the opposition candidate's complaints being laughed out of Kandahar of all places.

The WaPo ran large front-page articles about: (A) the AFGHAN (JFC Club, please learn to spell the word) elections on voting day, (B) the ink controversy, and (C) the apparent happy resolution. Good Morning America had Hamid Karzai on today.

Y'all can stop blowing the "liberal media" horn wrt coverage of foreign elections. No one wrote about Howard's victory because almost no one in America cares who wins in Australia. After all, it is not the job of the news media to MAKE the story, is it Bilmore? If so, why, Bilmore, why?

S_A_M

Secret_Agent_Man · 10-11-2004, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
You say this like they're bad things.

(I offended a man who allegedly bribes the hell out of the system, and then passes a wildly unpopular law, just now annulled, granting himself immunity? I think he has thicker skin than you credit.)

He's almost as bad as Chirac -- except he's a dirty _conservative_ s.o.b.

S_A_M

sgtclub · 10-11-2004, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
The WaPo ran large front-page articles about: (A) the AFGHAN (JFC Club, please learn to spell the word) elections on voting day, (B) the ink controversy, and (C) the apparent happy resolution. Good Morning America had Hamid Karzai on today.

Y'all can stop blowing the "liberal media" horn wrt coverage of foreign elections. No one wrote about Howard's victory because almost no one in America cares who wins in Australia. After all, it is not the job of the news media to MAKE the story, is it Bilmore? If so, why, Bilmore, why?

S_A_M

Spelling is hard

Gattigap · 10-11-2004, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Don't know. Don't get it.

Oh, for Pete's sake.

bilmore, can we just use this as shorthand for the next time we decide to bitch and moan about the bias in the media? If all you're reading is the NYT and the Mlps Hammer and Sickle, no wonder you're so pissed.

I swear to God, I'll go around this board and raise money to buy you a Time Warner Cable voucher. You may end up less informed for the experience, but OTOH you'll be happier about what you read and hear. 20 million viewers can't be wrong!

bilmore · 10-11-2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
After all, it is not the job of the news media to MAKE the story, is it Bilmore? If so, why, Bilmore, why?

Maybe "Why, Dan, why?' would be more appropriate here.

sebastian_dangerfield · 10-11-2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Oh. My. God. Let's ignore class and race here? I spent half of last night arguing that Kerry has never addressed our nation's security! Where were you?

You seem a bit sensitive bout this class and race thing though. Ya ever consider talking to someone 'bout that?

That is simply not going to happen. I understand that people don't want to hear about it, and I've seen how far people will go to ignore it, but its the height of failure in our society, and the strongest argument a conservative (or really, anyone) has to point out hypocricy in this nation. But like I said, it sounds like you are a bit sensitive to this. You should talk to someone about that.

1. I was fucking my wife and playing with my new Ipod. Really amazing - loads of fun, and the old lady wasn't bad in the sack either, but she always performs well with a hangover. No, no anal.

2. My post was not at all about class or race, so those topics can't really be inerjected. I'd allow it if the class/race discussion was even tangentially related, but its not even that. You insist on fixating on class/race in regard to everything, like you've got some sort of obsession.

3. I don't mind hearing about class/race, when its applicable, but you have to have a least some semblance of a bridge. I hijack threads, but at least I pretend to to be creating the segueway. You're going straight from Dark Star into Alabama Getaway.

bilmore · 10-11-2004, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Oh, for Pete's sake.

1). Outing people is mean.

2). You mean, I have to go to cable to find bias towards my side? When I'm stuck with just broadcast, of course I'm going to only see lefty lean?

Say_hello_for_me · 10-11-2004, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
1. I was fucking my wife and playing with my new Ipod. Really amazing - loads of fun, and the old lady wasn't bad in the sack either, but she always performs well with a hangover. No, no anal.

2. My post was not at all about class or race, so those topics can't really be inerjected. I'd allow it if the class/race discussion was even tangentially related, but its not even that. You insist on fixating on class/race in regard to everything, like you've got some sort of obsession.

3. I don't mind hearing about class/race, when its applicable, but you have to have a least some semblance of a bridge. I hijack threads, but at least I pretend to to be creating the segueway. You're going straight from Dark Star into Alabama Getaway.

1. Cool.
2. I think you admit to too little and ascribe too much. For social issues, particularly relating to morality, class/race (add in religion/sexual orientation etc) are the giant elephant in the room. You can't seriously discuss (much as you might try) drug policy (which you brought up) in this country without talking about race/class etc. It. Is. That. Simple. You don't want to hear my schpiel again? Don't bring it up or, at best, don't mischaracterize my position as being inconsistent on drugs/morality/abortion. I have consistently advocated that the Federal Government should get out of the business except where they have a specific mandate to be in the business.
3. Speaking of bridges, if you could build a moat around the ghetto, do you think society would? For or against?

Hello

Gattigap · 10-11-2004, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
1) Outing people is mean.

Sorry 'bout that, Fred. Won't happen again.

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2). You mean, I have to go to cable to find bias towards my side? When I'm stuck with just broadcast, of course I'm going to only see lefty lean?

Ooooo! Good thing I play a lawyer during the day, or I'd have fallen into that trap you so cleverly laid out for me.

I mean that our thematic arguments about bias in the media should include some recognition of its significant players. Surely, as one who so values the dynamics of the marketplace, you'd see the merits of this view.

It's like we're discussing the merits of a particular shopping mall. The rest of us are trying to incorporate into the analysis whether the southern wing of the mall is worth considering, what with the new Nieman Marcus and all, and you're stuck on arguing about the crappy deal you got at the Food Court.

Replaced_Texan · 10-11-2004, 05:22 PM

Some of my family members in Florida speculate that had it not been for Elian Gonzales, the election in Florida wouldn't have been as close in 2000. I know quite a few of my Cuban family members voted against Gore because of the way the whole thing was handled by the Clinton administration. The photographs that the Penske socks posted over and over again were very effective.

A lot has happened since then, and memories have faded a bit. Most of the Cuban members of my family say that they're voting against Bush this time around. This wing of the family has traditionally run for office in South Florida as Republican.

Sun Sentinal editorial from Cuban-American on why he's abandoning Bush. This doesn't seem like a demographic that Bush would want to lose.

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