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Old 07-28-2006, 04:51 PM   #2236
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I just finished "Fever Pitch" by Nick Hornby. Less loaned me his copy. Did you read it? Did you like it?
How about that -- me too.
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Old 07-28-2006, 04:54 PM   #2237
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I s'pose my view of imperialism is more negative than yours. I see it tending more towards genocide than order.

A very orderly genocide, but still.
Then explain how you reconcile that with an Israeli invasion of Lebanon in order to root out Hezbollah.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:02 PM   #2238
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You think Great Britain should have stayed out of WWI and let Germany win?
Nope. I was thinking more of his books Collossus and Empire. Like I said, I don't agree with everything he writes.

What's more, while I may believe that it would take an Imperial America to solve some of the world's more intractable problems, it doesn't necessarily mean I advocate actually doing it. It presents all manner of moral, political, financial, and logistical nightmares. On the other hand, I also don't believe that we are ever going to get out of Iraq with a measure of long-term success, nor is Israel ever going to see true long-term peace, without it.

Quite the paradox, no?
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:07 PM   #2239
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Then explain how you reconcile that with an Israeli invasion of Lebanon in order to root out Hezbollah.
You think Israel is trying to do to the Lebanese what, say, we did to the Apache?
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:19 PM   #2240
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You think Israel is trying to do to the Lebanese what, say, we did to the Apache?
Smallpox? Blankets of mass destruction?
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You think Israel is trying to do to the Lebanese what, say, we did to the Apache?
No. But there seems to be a lot of support for Israel to do to Hezbollah and Hamas what, say, we did to the Apache. Or Stalin did to the Kulaks. Or what Pol Pot did to the Hmong. Need I go on?
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:35 PM   #2243
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No. But there seems to be a lot of support for Israel to do to Hezbollah and Hamas what, say, we did to the Apache. Or Stalin did to the Kulaks. Or what Pol Pot did to the Hmong. Need I go on?
Are you really suggesting that there is anything sympathetic to Hamas or Hezbollah?
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Are you really suggesting that there is anything sympathetic to Hamas or Hezbollah?
Are you really suggesting there is anything sympathetic to the Apache or Kulaks?
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:43 PM   #2245
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Are you really suggesting there is anything sympathetic to the Apache or Kulaks?
do you know Hezzbolah has been firing at israeli targets from behind Un locations? that they (and Hamas) tend to surround themselves with children at meetings/ photo ops so an Israeli attack will have dead kids as a consequence.

I don't remember reading the apache doing stuff like that- they were hell on the buffalo- but not this other stuff.

You do realize that your evolution belief means that you are only here because Cro-Magnon killed all the Neanderthals . If you want to guilt trip I'd focus on that one. At least the Indians got casinos. all meanderthals got is an Weed's hiring as a nod to diversity.
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:49 PM   #2246
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do you know Hezzbolah has been firing at israeli targets from behind Un locations? that they (and Hamas) tend to surround themselves with children at meetings/ photo ops so an Israeli attack will have dead kids as a consequence.

I don't remember reading the apache doing stuff like that- they were hell on the buffalo- but not this other stuff.
I don't know. The Apache did some vicious scalping. And some horrid attacks on women and children. Maybe they deserved what they got*



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do you know Hezzbolah has been firing at israeli targets from behind Un locations? that they (and Hamas) tend to surround themselves with children at meetings/ photo ops so an Israeli attack will have dead kids as a consequence.

I don't remember reading the apache doing stuff like that- they were hell on the buffalo- but not this other stuff.
Do a little research and you'll find that the UN was not invented until 1945, and our issues with the Apache were pretty much worked over by then. Otherwise, you raise a good point. I do not know whether Hezbollah has been hiding behind buffalo, but maybe you should look into it when you're done with the UN thing.

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You do realize that your evolution belief means that you are only here because Cro-Magnon killed all the Neanderthals . If you want to guilt trip I'd focus on that one. At least the Indians got casinos. all meanderthals got is an Weed's hiring as a nod to diversity.
I'm pretty sure the Neanderthals died out because they couldn't figure out how to microwave pizza when they got to college, but it bears further research.
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Yeah. So?
So:

1. The IRA was not defeated militarily, and

2. The IRA has shown an some ability to gradually moderate.
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Are you really suggesting that there is anything sympathetic to Hamas or Hezbollah?
Are you really suggesting we should kill them all, and the men, women, and children who have no option but to live among them?
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Are you really suggesting we should kill them all, and the men, women, and children who have no option but to live among them?
no. he's saying Israel should.
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