Making Baby Jesus Cry

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Sad commentary on the state of liberals today. The Clintons really destroyed any sense of honour, class and dignity in the Democrat Party.

When was the last time you, personally, received a death threat from a member of the Democratic party? Some supporter of a liberal cause?

Just wonderin'.

Because I've got a little collection going from your piece of shit friends.

[Penske_Account]

Cindy Sheehan Requests Privacy

Like the privacy she gave the President on his vacation!?! I hope the VRWC sends a contingent to camp out outside her mother's hospital room until they get a meeting with Cindy to ask why she is such a wretched America-hayting beeyotch.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account

Not that it'll inhibit your photoshopping activities, Penske, but actually no, it appears she didn't say that.

• Indeed, there seems to be a lot of oddly sourced stuff suddenly floating around that's being attributed to Sheehan in a bid to discredit her. Two days ago she had to correct the record on Anderson Cooper 360 about some comments being attributed to her:
  
  COOPER: You were also quoted as saying, "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. If you get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine, and you'll stop the terrorism." How responsible do you believe Israel is for the amount of terrorism in the world?
  
  SHEEHAN: I didn't say that.
  
  COOPER: You didn't say that? OK.
  
  SHEEHAN: I didn't say that my son died for Israel. I've never said that. I saw somebody wrote that, and it wasn't my words. Those aren't even words that I would say.
  
  I do believe that the Palestinian issue is a hot issue that needs to be solved, and it needs to be more fair and equitable, but I never said my son died for Israel.
  
  COOPER: OK, I'm glad I asked you that. Because, as you know, there's tons of stuff floating around on the Internet on sites of all political persuasions, so I'm glad we had the opportunity to clear that up.
  
  SHEEHAN: And thank you, because those are not my words. It doesn't even sound like me saying that.
  
  **
  
  The comments were allegedly made in a letter she wrote to ABC News, which the network has not been able to find in their archives.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Who would have ever thought that organizing a trip to Crawford, Texas, would result in someone writing me hoping that my wife gets cancer and dies and my sons are killed in a terrible accident? That sentiment was fairly typical of the hundreds of e-mails we've received after our bus trip to Crawford Friday night to show support for President Bush and the soldiers fighting the war on terror.

Sad commentary on the state of liberals today. The Clintons really destroyed any sense of honour, class and dignity in the Democrat Party.

Hank, don't become this.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by baltassoc
Define "I have no doubt that some "W" keys were removed from keyboards."

He is talking out of both sides of his mouth. I have no doubt.......but.....the story suggest boguousity.

Take a position. Take some fucking personal responsibility.

"yes, obviously they did it. Obviously it was wrong. It diminishes the process and our is shameful"

Why can't there be some moral clarity. "Perjury is wrong" NOT "Perjury is wrong but it was about sex"

When I worked for Dole in 1988, in NH, someone/persons cut the phone lines to Roberston's campaign headquarters during a crucial pre-primary period.

It was "common knowledge" amongst the political campaign workers that the deed was done by people who worked for a certain Vice President's campaign.

It was wrong. Period. Wrong. It should not have been tolerated. Atwater was a dirty nasty shit.

No qualification there. It is wrong. No excuse.

Someone here asked me the other day, what about when Eisenhower sold out the Brits and French in the Sinai in 56. I replied I disagree (in hindsight, as I am not that old (hi Bilmore!)).

No qualification. Big fuckup. Eisenhower blew it and he is in part responsible for the continued mess in that area and his successors should apologize to the Israelis for his fuck up.

No qualification. But the dems can't do it. They are the party of no reponsibility. There is no right and no wrong, only moral relativity.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
He is talking out of both sides of his mouth. I have no doubt.......but.....the story suggest boguousity.

Take a position. Take some fucking personal responsibility.

"yes, obviously they did it. Obviously it was wrong. It diminishes the process and our is shameful"

Why can't there be some moral clarity. "Perjury is wrong" NOT "Perjury is wrong but it was about sex"

When I worked for Dole in 1988, in NH, someone/persons cut the phone lines to Roberston's campaign headquarters during a crucial pre-primary period.

It was "common knowledge" amongst the political campaign workers that the deed was done by people who worked for a certain Vice President's campaign.

It was wrong. Period. Wrong. It should not have been tolerated. Atwater was a dirty nasty shit.

No qualification there. It is wrong. No excuse.

Someone here asked me the other day, what about when Eisenhower sold out the Brits and French in the Sinai in 56. I replied I disagree (in hindsight, as I am not that old (hi Bilmore!)).

No qualification. Big fuckup. Eisenhower blew it and he is in part responsible for the continued mess in that area and his successors should apologize to the Israelis for his fuck up.

No qualification. But the dems can't do it. They are the party of no reponsibility. There is no right and no wrong, only moral relativity.

But it's okay to lie to take a nation to an unnecessary, preempitve war. Got it.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
He is talking out of both sides of his mouth. I have no doubt.......but.....the story suggest boguousity.

Take a position. Take some fucking personal responsibility.

"yes, obviously they did it. Obviously it was wrong. It diminishes the process and our is shameful"

Why can't there be some moral clarity. "Perjury is wrong" NOT "Perjury is wrong but it was about sex"

When I worked for Dole in 1988, in NH, someone/persons cut the phone lines to Roberston's campaign headquarters during a crucial pre-primary period.

It was "common knowledge" amongst the political campaign workers that the deed was done by people who worked for a certain Vice President's campaign.

It was wrong. Period. Wrong. It should not have been tolerated. Atwater was a dirty nasty shit.

No qualification there. It is wrong. No excuse.

Someone here asked me the other day, what about when Eisenhower sold out the Brits and French in the Sinai in 56. I replied I disagree (in hindsight, as I am not that old (hi Bilmore!)).

No qualification. Big fuckup. Eisenhower blew it and he is in part responsible for the continued mess in that area and his successors should apologize to the Israelis for his fuck up.

No qualification. But the dems can't do it. They are the party of no reponsibility. There is no right and no wrong, only moral relativity.

Nice. Follow this, if you would, with a dissertation defending the W Administration on their postwar plans and execution in Iraq. Remember, no qualification. Thank you.

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Not that it'll inhibit your photoshopping activities, Penske, but actually no, it appears she didn't say that.

• Indeed, there seems to be a lot of oddly sourced stuff suddenly floating around that's being attributed to Sheehan in a bid to discredit her. Two days ago she had to correct the record on Anderson Cooper 360 about some comments being attributed to her:
  
  COOPER: You were also quoted as saying, "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. If you get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine, and you'll stop the terrorism." How responsible do you believe Israel is for the amount of terrorism in the world?
  
  SHEEHAN: I didn't say that.
  
  COOPER: You didn't say that? OK.
  
  SHEEHAN: I didn't say that my son died for Israel. I've never said that. I saw somebody wrote that, and it wasn't my words. Those aren't even words that I would say.
  
  I do believe that the Palestinian issue is a hot issue that needs to be solved, and it needs to be more fair and equitable, but I never said my son died for Israel.
  
  COOPER: OK, I'm glad I asked you that. Because, as you know, there's tons of stuff floating around on the Internet on sites of all political persuasions, so I'm glad we had the opportunity to clear that up.
  
  SHEEHAN: And thank you, because those are not my words. It doesn't even sound like me saying that.
  
  **
  
  The comments were allegedly made in a letter she wrote to ABC News, which the network has not been able to find in their archives.

Given that she has given umpteen conflictig accounts of her meeting with the President and then tried to have all evidence of the photo of her kissing the President removed from the internet, her whitewash doesn't surprise me:

here, from the Media Blog on NRO:

Today, Cindy Sheehan wrote about the CNN / Nightline letter / Israel fiasco that I've been following on the Media Blog. Here's what she had to say on Michael Moore's Web site:

"Another thing is that the Israel thing has not died. I did not say that my son died for Israel. I have never said it, I don't think it, I don't believe it. It is just another lie, smear tactic from the right. It needs to die right now. It's not the truth. I stand by everything that I have said. But I will not stand by things that I haven't said. I am not anti-Semitic. I am just anti-killing. George Bush is responsible for killing so many people, but nobody scrutinizes anything he says, especially leading up to the war. Since there is nothing to smear me about with the truth, they have to tell lies. A former friend who is anti-Israel and wants to use the spotlight on me to push his anti-Semitism is telling everyone who is listening that I believe that Casey died for Israel and has gone so far as to apparently doctor an email from me. People have to know that he doesn't speak for me. ABC Nightline can't confirm his email is real and therefore any reporting on it is irresponsible. That is not my issue. That is not my message and anyone who knows me knows it doesn't sound like me."

This post on Google groups contains the letter that Cindy Sheehan wrote to ABC's Nightline. Yesterday, I e-mailed Tony Tersch, the man who posted it to Google groups, and asked him about the letter. Tersch, incidentally, is not the "former friend" Sheehan accuses of doctoring her letter to Nightline. He's just a guy who belongs to the Google group in question. Here's what he wrote back:

"I came to know Cindy Sheehan several months ago, and because of my great sympathy for her, and sharing her cause, I sent her stuff about her and her efforts. For that reason I sent out to the Band and the Bull Yard Group what they said about her. Then CINDY SHEEHAN herself sent me a letter SHE had written, — a disclaimer of their portrayal of her and misrepresentation. I certainly did not doctor her letter, nor does she claim I did."

So Cindy Sheehan sent Tersch the version of the letter that appears in the Google group post. That version contains the paragraph:

"Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real reason, becuase the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse."

Last Monday night, Sheehan told CNN's Anderson Cooper she never said her son died for Israel. Today, she tells Michael Moore's readers she never said it. But Tersch — again, not the "former friend" Sheehan accuses of doctoring the letter before sending it to Nightline — says Sheehan herself sent that version of the letter to him.

Given the radical nature of many other statements Sheehan does not deny making, it's surprising that she continues to deny saying that her son was killed to benefit Israel. But the available evidence indicates that she almost certainly did.

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
. . . to ask why she is such a wretched America-hayting beeyotch.

Maybe because George Bush killed her kid?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by baltassoc
When was the last time you, personally, received a death threat from a member of the Democratic party? Some supporter of a liberal cause?

Just wonderin'.

Because I've got a little collection going from your piece of shit friends.

Cite please?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by pony_trekker
Maybe because George Bush killed her kid?

Cite please?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Not that it'll inhibit your photoshopping activities, Penske, but actually no, it appears she didn't say that.

• Indeed, there seems to be a lot of oddly sourced stuff suddenly floating around that's being attributed to Sheehan in a bid to discredit her. Two days ago she had to correct the record on Anderson Cooper 360 about some comments being attributed to her:
  
  COOPER: You were also quoted as saying, "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. If you get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine, and you'll stop the terrorism." How responsible do you believe Israel is for the amount of terrorism in the world?
  
  SHEEHAN: I didn't say that.
  
  COOPER: You didn't say that? OK.
  
  SHEEHAN: I didn't say that my son died for Israel. I've never said that. I saw somebody wrote that, and it wasn't my words. Those aren't even words that I would say.
  
  I do believe that the Palestinian issue is a hot issue that needs to be solved, and it needs to be more fair and equitable, but I never said my son died for Israel.
  
  COOPER: OK, I'm glad I asked you that. Because, as you know, there's tons of stuff floating around on the Internet on sites of all political persuasions, so I'm glad we had the opportunity to clear that up.
  
  SHEEHAN: And thank you, because those are not my words. It doesn't even sound like me saying that.
  
  **
  
  The comments were allegedly made in a letter she wrote to ABC News, which the network has not been able to find in their archives.

She said:


"Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel."

She's a liar and an jew-hater. In the grand tradition of Rachel Corrie, she should move to the West Bank and throw herself under a bulldozer for the cause.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
But it's okay to lie to take a nation to an unnecessary, preempitve war. Got it.

What lie?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Nice. Follow this, if you would, with a dissertation defending the W Administration on their postwar plans and execution in Iraq. Remember, no qualification. Thank you.

W's administration is working hard to win the peace and assist the Iraqis with their continued effourt to create the second true democracy in the Middle East, despite the lies and hurdles that the democrats are throwing in his path and that of the freedom loving Iraqis. Notwithstanding the liberal resistance in the US, if we stay the course, as W has pledged, in due course Iraq will be a fully functioning democracy and an island of stability in the ME.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
She said:


"Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel."

She's a liar and an jew-hater. In the grand tradition of Rachel Corrie, she should move to the West Bank and throw herself under a bulldozer for the cause.

I would say, cite, please, but I don't really care that much to engage with you in this particular brand of hatred. Today is a good day for me.