Waiting for Fitzgerald - Page 151

taxwonk · 10-07-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
God is not a moral relativist. He has absolute power. He makes the rules. It's sad that you would denigrate his authority with such mockery.

Then you admit that Bush is either (i) lying or (ii) delusional in saying that God Spoke to him?

andViolins · 10-07-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Then you admit that Bush is either (i) lying or (ii) delusional in saying that God Spoke to him?

Actually, the White House is denying that Bush made these statements to the Palestinians.

aV

Penske_Account · 10-07-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
From the GOP's :

Where's the part about homosexuality being an abomination in the eyes of the Lord?

taxwonk · 10-07-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
You asked me a question that was based on something that I doubt is true. I am asking you for a cite on the basis of your question.

Okay, I've given you your cite. The GOP platform is anti-gay. You had earlier said that homosexuality is not an absolute wrong. So, if, as you claim, the Republican message is not based at least in part on moral relativism, how can they have this in their platform?

I believe I've proven you wrong on at least two counts now, the GOP's anti-gay stance, and their support of killing.

Penske_Account · 10-07-2005, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
I'm still waiting for you to show me any sense of moral clarity, Penske. You keep talking in circles on the specific moral points, and every time I point out that you havew contradicted yourself or that the Republican leadership has failed to follow your specific moral points, you try to blow smoke up my ass.

Answer the questions, Penske.

Gods disapproves of the sinful liberals sinful ways, all other answers flow from there.

taxwonk · 10-07-2005, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
DOMA? Clinton signed the DOMA- try agian.

We aren't discussing Clinton's political philosophy here, Hank. We're discussing Penske's political philosophy with respect to relativsim versus absolutism.

Penske_Account · 10-07-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Okay, I've given you your cite. The GOP platform is anti-gay. You had earlier said that homosexuality is not an absolute wrong. So, if, as you claim, the Republican message is not based at least in part on moral relativism, how can they have this in their platform?

I believe I've proven you wrong on at least two counts now, the GOP's anti-gay stance, and their support of killing.

It's not anti-gay, its just against gay marriage, following the bible, the word of God.

The Iraq war was okayed by God. He told W so.

Penske_Account · 10-07-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Then you admit that Bush is either (i) lying or (ii) delusional in saying that God Spoke to him?

Why would he need to be either. Just because God wouldn't speak to one who mocks his word, doesn't mean he wouldn't speak to a man of faith, like W.

Penske_Account · 10-07-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by andViolins
Actually, the White House is denying that Bush made these statements to the Palestinians.

aV

McCellan is a liar, the liberals told me so.

Penske_Account · 10-07-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
What good does that do anyone? It puts her there until the end of 2006. So you fight all spring 2007 over a nominee, with a new senate that might not be as favorable. By some time in 2007, the stalling really begins for the presidential election.

eta: I say she gets confirmed.

Tally so far:

Yes: 2
No: 2
Other: 1

Replaced_Texan · 10-07-2005, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
McCellan is a liar, the liberals told me so.

Nah, he's just the White House protocol droid.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-07-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Will Miers be confirmed, yes or no?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes.

Spanky · 10-07-2005, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Okay, I've given you your cite. The GOP platform is anti-gay. You had earlier said that homosexuality is not an absolute wrong. So, if, as you claim, the Republican message is not based at least in part on moral relativism, how can they have this in their platform?

I believe I've proven you wrong on at least two counts now, the GOP's anti-gay stance, and their support of killing.

Just because Penske thinks that the Republican platform is not in line with Gods law does not mean that it is based on moral relativism. Both the Republicans that wrote the platform and Penske believe in absolute right and wrong they just disagree with what things are right and wrong. In other words they disagree with what is right and wrong, but they both believe there is a universal right and wrong.

That is a far cry from thinking that right and wrong change with the cultural and with circumstances. If both Penske and the people that wrote the platform believed in moral relativism there would be no argument because the two of them could just agree that certain morals apply to one and not the other.

A person that is a moral relativist does not really believe in right or wrong, or Just or unjust.

Penske_Account · 10-07-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes.

Yes: 3
No: 2
Other: 1

taxwonk · 10-07-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by andViolins
Actually, the White House is denying that Bush made these statements to the Palestinians.

aV

I find that plausible. Of course, even if he actually did say it, I'd expect the White House to deny it too.