A sad, constant bid for attention

[Spanky]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I think you assume too much about other people to think that you know better than they do whether they are into that sort of thing or not. I would have to disagree if your point is that all men are attracted to the physical qualities of youth. Many are, sure, but all is a stupid generalization that is impossible to support.

I would not say all, but I would defintely say a large majority. I am sure most of the males on this board have had the experience that when in a coed group many men will claim they are not attracted to young women, and don't undestand men that are. But when you are in groups of just men, that statement is rarely, if ever made.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Gattigap
2.

I think I understand what Spanky's trying to say. Maybe. Yes, culture is oriented to the appearance of youth. Does that = men lusting after 16 year olds? For some, sure. For all, no.

And this whole thing of getting wrapped around the axle of pederasty is kinda dumb. Extrapolating from the point that culture prizes youthfulness all the way to "Hey, guys, when it comes down to it, aren't we all just pederasts?" is neither supportable nor particularly wise.

The issue was:

Does that fact that Mark Foley was attracted to a sixteen year old boy make him a pederist. My answer = no. GGG's answer = yes.

Is the fact that Mark Foley was attraced to a sixteen year old boy make him abormal. My answer = no. GGG's answer = yes.

Is it abnormal for a forty year old man to find a sixteen year old girl attracitve. My answer = no. GGG's answer = yes.

I am also saying that it is very common for homosexual men (of any age) to find some sixteen year old boys attractive.

I am also saying that it is very common for hetersexual men (of any age) to find some sixtee year old women attractive.

Do you disagree with any of these?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
The issue was:

Does that fact that Mark Foley was attracted to a sixteen year old boy make him a pederist. My answer = no. GGG's answer = yes.

Is the fact that Mark Foley was attraced to a sixteen year old boy make him abormal. My answer = no. GGG's answer = yes.

Is it abnormal for a forty year old man to find a sixteen year old girl attracitve. My answer = no. GGG's answer = yes.

I am also saying that it is very common for homosexual men (of any age) to find some sixteen year old boys attractive.

I am also saying that it is very common for hetersexual men (of any age) to find some sixtee year old women attractive.

Do you disagree with any of these?

See, in your posts where you are trying to get people to say they agree with you, you leave out the part about soliciting.

And again, there is a difference between finding an actual person attractive on a personal level, and thinking they look sexually hot. At least, I think there is. But maybe that goes away when there is a Y chromosone involved.

[Sparklehorse]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
See, in your posts where you are trying to get people to say they agree with you, you leave out the part about soliciting.

And again, there is a difference between finding an actual person attractive on a personal level, and thinking they look sexually hot. At least, I think there is. But maybe that goes away when there is a Y chromosone involved.

I think it's also one thing to find a 16 year old attractive and quite another thing to act on it.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Sparklehorse
I think it's also one thing to find a 16 year old attractive and quite another thing to act on it.

Yeah; if you read the PB it goes into that quite a bit so I didn't go into it over here. But I think we both lack the Y chromosome.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I think you assume too much about other people to think that you know better than they do whether they are into that sort of thing or not. I would have to disagree if your point is that all men are attracted to the physical qualities of youth. Many are, sure, but all is a stupid generalization that is impossible to support.

He also started the whole thing by talking about "the homosexual community" and not getting into the girl part. Like, "the homosexual community really values guys who look like they are 16." And I can see what he's getting at, but I think he paints with too broad a brush and it's easy to read into what he initially said that this is impliedly in contrast to the heterosexual community.

Is Foley into men his own age, too? I think it's creepy when anyone is only into people (of the sex(es) to which they are sexually attracted) quite a bit younger. And the whole thing w/the statement from Foley's lawyer or whoever today/tonight that Foley really thought ti was important for people to know that he was sexually abused by a clergyman from age 13 to age 15 kind of argues against it being the hot, youthful appearance of the kid and toward it being the kid's actual age.

[Fugee]

Originally posted by Jack Manfred
What was the agreed upon term for a man past marrying age? Men don't become spinsters or cougars, do they?

Norwegian bachelor farmers.

[Fugee]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
any advice on how the Tigers should pitch him?

I'm hoping they won't get the chance. Boooooooooooof will have to do better against him in Game 2.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
See, in your posts where you are trying to get people to say they agree with you, you leave out the part about soliciting.

And again, there is a difference between finding an actual person attractive on a personal level, and thinking they look sexually hot. At least, I think there is. But maybe that goes away when there is a Y chromosone involved.

Is solicitating a sixteen year old for sex wrong? Yes. Is it abnormal or deviant no. Now I have covered solicitation.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sparklehorse
I think it's also one thing to find a 16 year old attractive and quite another thing to act on it.

I agree with that and I believe I said that in the posts you read.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
He also started the whole thing by talking about "the homosexual community" and not getting into the girl part. Like, "the homosexual community really values guys who look like they are 16." And I can see what he's getting at, but I think he paints with too broad a brush

Even RT had to agree that the homosexual community is obssessed with youth.

Originally posted by ltl/fb
and it's easy to read into what he initially said that this is impliedly in contrast to the heterosexual community.

If you are saying there was an intentional implication that only homosexuals are into youth and not heterosexuals you are wrong. If you are saying that an idiot reading the post might infer that then I can agree with you.

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Is Foley into men his own age, too? I think it's creepy when anyone is only into people (of the sex(es) to which they are sexually attracted) quite a bit younger. And the whole thing w/the statement from Foley's lawyer or whoever today/tonight that Foley really thought ti was important for people to know that he was sexually abused by a clergyman from age 13 to age 15 kind of argues against it being the hot, youthful appearance of the kid and toward it being the kid's actual age.

That is just a B.S. smokes screen. There is nothing abnormal or deviant about a homosexual like Foley being attraced to a sixteen year old boy. Was it wrong to act on it, especially with some who worked for him? - Yes of course. And I am glad he resigned.

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
any advice on how the Tigers should pitch him?

Worry about how to pitch Jeter. And the Yanks' lineup is easy once you get past one through nine.

And what is this word "pitch" of which you speak?

On the National League side of NY we can't seem to do that w/o pulling a calf muscle, or both or tearing a shoulder.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by pony_trekker
On the National League side of NY we can't seem to do that w/o pulling a calf muscle, or both or tearing a shoulder.

Heck, after hearing about El Duque, now I'm worried about them trotting to the mound. Willie needs to see if they still have those little cars shaped like baseball hats in storage, and use them to ferry his pitchers back and forth.

So who pitches today? Traschel? My knuckler is ready to go, but (alas) Willie and Omar left me off the playoff roster.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Spanky
A personal example to help support my point:

True Story: In 1994 I was having a party at my house in Tokyo. It was a four story town house and my bedroom was on the top floor. I went up to my room to grab some CDs and found one of my friends (who was also a client who owned a major record label in Tokyo) who was forty three at the time, was talking to really attractive model (who worked for an agency I represented) who I guessed was around twenty. They clearly had been fooling around but stopped when I came in the room.

I detest Prince, and had a large label on my stereo that stated no Prince was allowed on the Stereo. Of course one of my comedian friends, while I was upstairs, put on the Prince song "1999". While I was changing my wine stained shirt, and the two of them were waiting for me to leave, my friend said that he wanted to be in Manhattan for the Millenium and asked the hot model where she wanted to be. She said she didn't care but she would be excited because she was going to turn twenty one just two days before the millenium.

My friend, who had a fifteen year old daughter completely freaked out and immediately left without saying a word. The fifteen year old model looked at me totally perplexed and said "did I say something that caused him to freak out?".

So you would have nailed the 15 year old?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Spanky
The issue was:

Does that fact that Mark Foley was attracted to a sixteen year old boy make him a pederist. My answer = no. GGG's answer = yes.

Is the fact that Mark Foley was attraced to a sixteen year old boy make him abormal. My answer = no. GGG's answer = yes.

Is it abnormal for a forty year old man to find a sixteen year old girl attracitve. My answer = no. GGG's answer = yes.

I am also saying that it is very common for homosexual men (of any age) to find some sixteen year old boys attractive.

I am also saying that it is very common for hetersexual men (of any age) to find some sixtee year old women attractive.

Do you disagree with any of these?

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