Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
No -- could you hang on a sec while I run and get my wife's copy of the DSM-IV?

Would you let your daughter get into any type motorized vehicle with a male kennedy? answer the question.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think the Clintons are felonious criminals with little respect for our constitution and an overwhelming amount of greed for unbridled power.

What their crimes are is less relevant than that they are criminals seeking higher office on my dime.

I would be just as happy to forget them, but they cannot recede from the public view with any grace or dignity, as they have none. As long as they continue their decades long free ride on the public dole I will continue to criticise them, justly.

Harrumph, harrumph, harrumph, harrumph, harrumph... Calling politicians liars, particularly in the current political winds, is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

The distinction between Bush and Clinton upon which you justify your dislike of Bubba and affinity for W is that W lies for a purpose - to achieve a greater good, but Bubba just lied for self gain. You seem to think W's lies are allright, because he;s not just trying to get rich or keep power. Shit, he was already born rich, and powerful. I think thats a horseshit distinction, particularly where Bush's lies cost lives and Clinton's cost what? Embarrassment to himself? And if thats the best distinction you can offer (which it seems to be because its always your lead argument), then you ain't got much in the barrel.

They're all liars. Clintons, Bushes... same filthy political animals.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think the Clintons are felonious criminals with little respect for our constitution and an overwhelming amount of greed for unbridled power.

What their crimes are is less relevant than that they are criminals seeking higher office on my dime.

I would be just as happy to forget them, but they cannot recede from the public view with any grace or dignity, as they have none. As long as they continue their decades long free ride on the public dole I will continue to criticise them, justly.

Does that answer your question?

Are you talking to me? What question?

Hank -- the whole "Clintons murdered x and y and z" is not a schtick. Penske believes it -- see? He can't say that he does not.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Harrumph, harrumph, harrumph, harrumph, harrumph... Calling politicians liars, particularly in the current political winds, is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

The distinction between Bush and Clinton upon which you justify your dislike of Bubba and affinity for W is that W lies for a purpose - to achieve a greater good, but Bubba just lied for self gain. You seem to think W's lies are allright, because he;s not just trying to get rich or keep power. Shit, he was already born rich, and powerful. I think thats a horseshit distinction, particularly where Bush's lies cost lives and Clinton's cost what? Embarrassment to himself? And if thats the best distinction you can offer (which it seems to be because its always your lead argument), then you ain't got much in the barrel.

They're all liars. Clintons, Bushes... same filthy political animals.

The same? Cite a lie Laura Bush told.

[Diane_Keaton]

Okay so let's knock it off here -- would someone explain who leaked the info and why?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
The same? Cite a lie Laura Bush told.

There's an even better distinction:

The Clintons are worse than the Bushes because Hillary lies and Laura is basically mute...

...notwithstanding the fact that Hillary has yet to be caught in a lie, let alone a lie under oath. Isn't that the rule? Lying is OK as long as no one gets caught doing it under oath? Oh, wait. I forgot. The rules change when they don't benefit the current administration and its willfully ignorant minions.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Okay so let's knock it off here -- would someone explain who leaked the info and why?

Unfortunately, the media is so captivated by navel-gazing ("should Time have turned over the notes? Would we have done so?") that there isn't much discussing about what the notes actually show. So far Rove is the only person I've seen named, but it's far from clear at this point.

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Okay so let's knock it off here -- would someone explain who leaked the info and why?

You refer to Plame? The Time notes haven't been publicized but late list week I posted a link to a website that claims Karl Rove will be outed as the leak. Why? Revenge for her husband's noncooperation in making the case for the Iraq war.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by AliHajiSheik
You refer to Plame? The Time notes haven't been publicized but late list week I posted a link to a website that claims Karl Rove will be outed as the leak. Why? Revenge for her husband's noncooperation in making the case for the Iraq war.

If Rove is outed, the next few months will be the craziest bloodbath in a long time. You know the Dems won't stop with Rove. They'll push for a full on investigation of what Bush knew and when, and whether he was engaged in a cover up of any sort.

I just don't buy the Rove thing. How could an operator so shrewd and cold let a small fry like Wilson get far enough under his skin to cause him to do something so stupid? I hope its Rove, but I doubt it.

ETA: Is it possible W's henchmen are as dim and venal as Nixon's?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
If Rove is outed, the next few months will be the craziest bloodbath in a long time. You know the Dems won't stop with Rove. They'll push for a full on investigation of what Bush knew and when, and whether he was engaged in a cover up of any sort.

I just don't buy the Rove thing. How could an operator so shrewd and cold let a small fry like Wilson get far enough under his skin to cause him to do something so stupid? I hope its Rove, but I doubt it.

ETA: Is it possible W's henchmen are as dim and venal as Nixon's?

Pat Fitzgerald is a fucking bulldog. He'll eventually get to the bottom of this.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Pat Fitzgerald is a fucking bulldog. He'll get to the bottom of this eventually.

Dude, do you realize what that means? Bush's ratings are already sinking. A Rove indictment would make Bush a major league lame duck. He'd be so caught in investigations that he'd never get any of his agenda through. He'd look like Bubba and Reagan in the last three years of their respective terms. This is no Watergate, but it smells awful, and its the just the sort of incredible gift the news media needs right now.

For these reasons and more, I still say it can't be Rove. He cannot be that stupid.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
If Rove is outed, the next few months will be the craziest bloodbath in a long time. You know the Dems won't stop with Rove. They'll push for a full on investigation of what Bush knew and when, and whether he was engaged in a cover up of any sort.

I just don't buy the Rove thing. How could an operator so shrewd and cold let a small fry like Wilson get far enough under his skin to cause him to do something so stupid? I hope its Rove, but I doubt it.

ETA: Is it possible W's henchmen are as dim and venal as Nixon's?

Agree.

Me neither. I just hope they get to the bottom of this and fry the treasonous bastard. ETA: who ever that treasonous bastard may be...

Doubt it, but the accumulation and consolidation of power leads people to get sloppy.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Okay so let's knock it off here -- would someone explain who leaked the info and why?

Don't know, but I'll support Patrick Fitzgerald 100% for any position he is ever nominated for, and particularly Attorney General. This guy went after the political combine in Illinois no-holds-barred, and it appears he's willing to do the same to the Fourth Estate (or is it Fifth) as well as his Washington masters.

And I still have no idea why the media think they get to set their own rules outside of the legal system? Oh, but your honor, I have this sacred duty to keep my promises, and its important, nay critical, to the American way of life that I be allowed to keep my promises. I just do not get where Time etc. think this is going, but there is nothing that says give up as much as a 9-0 Supreme Court decision. Or was this one 7-2.

Regardless, Patrick Fitzgerald is doing a great job.

Hello

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
...notwithstanding the fact that Hillary has yet to be caught in a lie,

Penske is nuts, sure. But that doesn't justify a statement as incredible as this one.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
The same? Cite a lie Laura Bush told.

"I'm a desperate housewife." -- Laura Bush, White House Press Corps Annual Dinner, 2005.