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[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
And nyocki.

you mean, gnocci? that is the correct pro

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
That's why I will write homage, but say tribute.

Although I always order Kwoissants and Yeeros, just to be a tool.

Me too!!

Soul sister with toothy vagina!

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Um, yes.

tres bien

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
And what do we do with Au Bon Pain? Do we pronounce "Pain" like pain in the ass? It gets tricky.

You could say ABP. This technique works for barely; she says CPK to avoid the tricky pronunciation of California Pizza Kitchen.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
If I told you I spent my vacation in "Paghreee", instead of "Paris", wouldn't you find that a little weird?

Unless the original pronunciation is in general use, as with foyer, I find it pretentious. Homage is a good case in point. (Though I can't speak as to what they do in Canada, where the more common use of French would, I think, make things more complicated.)

I would also find it silly if a Frenchman pronounced words like "television" the American way.

I have been calling Capri "CA-pri" since I went there. That is so gay.

[nononono]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
No, no -- let's analyze this some more. It's just getting interesting.

Now you're looking for punishment, aren't you?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
And what do we do with Au Bon Pain? Do we pronounce "Pain" like pain in the ass? It gets tricky.

And if we pronounce it, uh, I don't know how to convey that in writing, but not as "pain," do we have to pronounce "bon" like we forgot to say the "d"s in "Bond, James Bond"?

I think I just won't care how people pronounce stuff, unles they are clearly confused and want to be corrected. I also will not care if someone calls a sparkling wine from California (or Oregon or Washington or upstate NY or whatever) "champagne."

[Cletus Miller]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I understand what you are saying, but what I don't understand is why we think it is pretentious when someone pronounces a french word the way it is supposed to be pronounced in french (leaving aside how people feel about the french in general).

I get confused by the Americanization of french words because in Canada sometimes we pronounce them more closely to the french. For example, I pronounce "foyer" as "foyay" because that is how I learned the word (in English) and people here actually say foyerrr. It sounds funny.

I agree as to actual french words, but homage is not, as far as I can tell (and I have done a little research) actually taken from modern french (hommage) but is from middle english/anglo-french. Yes, the words have the same meanig and differ only by an M, and that will be a source of confusion for french speakers, but the vast majority of americans aren't, and homage has been an english word with an english pronunciation different from the french for centuries.

I think it's pretentious b/c I think that the reason that oh-mahz has been adopted by some is that they think it shows they are intellectual/high class/funny/whatever when they pronounce "french" words as they would be in french. Often it's correct to use the french, this case it isn't.

The big pronunciation mess in america is with place names from the french (and spanish and everything else)--americanized except when they aren't.

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
You could say ABP. This technique works for barely; she says CPK to avoid the tricky pronunciation of California Pizza Kitchen.

I pronounce cappicola as "gabagool" that is not the same thing since it is slang for it.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yeah, why would we keep a country with great food, gorgeous women, and beautiful sights?

Oh, right -- they didn't believe that Iraq had WMD. Bad people.


(Sorry for posting this on the wrong board)

I hated them long before that. I think it started when they tried to blow up that Green Peace boat in New Zealand. the hate just congealed when I lived in Paris.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Cletus Miller
The big pronunciation mess in america is with place names from the french (and spanish and everything else)--americanized except when they aren't.

San Diego means "a whale's vagina".

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
And nyocki.

I usually point to the gnocchi on the menu. Nyocki, Nokee, Nocky? They all sound silly. Mani-kottee? Ri-kotta? If I'm in an Italian restaurant, I just avoid saying any of it.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by patentparanyc
you mean, gnocci? that is the correct pro

You are an idiot. There is no "g" in the pronuniciation. Only the spelling.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by Spanky
I hated them long before that. I think it started when they tried to blow up that Green Peace boat in New Zealand. the hate just congealed when I lived in Paris.

mmmmmm, congealed hate.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Spanky
I hated them long before that. I think it started when they tried to blow up that Green Peace boat in New Zealand.

Odd. That's the moment when Slave -- briefly, fleetingly -- liked the French.