Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
teens who get pregnant typically do so while listening to music with horns in it.

Music of the devil?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Music of the devil?

great sig line! it's the first I've seen that functions as a PB comment, but "fits" on FB. You do understand you can't post on Parents with it though right?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
great sig line! it's the first I've seen that functions as a PB comment, but "fits" on FB. You do understand you can't post on Parents with it though right?

Thanks. For the record, I lifted it from here: http://theonion.com/opinion/index.php?issue=4041

[SlaveNoMore]

sebastian_dangerfield
You're calling me simple and then saying "It can all be cured with adoption?" Jesus man, you're in a fucking glass castle.

How does adoption solve the problem of the effect of the unwanted pregnancy on the woman? Does she get a vote? Or is it her fault? I notice the people harrumphing about moral responsibilty almost exclusively have penises. Strange coincidence...

Not the topic at hand, but what about the "rights" of the putative father? Does he get a vote? Or does she unilaterally get the control of his wallet for 18 years?

Your taxes don't begin to pay for all the costs people who are forced to have children will be forced to bear. What are we going to do with all those kids who don't get adopted?

Ask this question to any number of childless parents out there desperately trying to adopt.

You're right - college isn't a birthright, but in the country we presently occupy, its the only way to ensure the kid won't wind up on the govt dole later.

Tell this to the "unwashed" middle class manufacturing, contruction and service industry employees, that, in on particular order, delivered yyou your paper, picked your orange juice, turned on your plumbing. sold you your suit, built you your car and directed the traffic to your shiny, tall office building.

When did you turn into such a classist fucking snob?

Are you advocating more unskilled people be brought into our society?

If anything, it would alleviate the need for illegal immigration.

Perhaps to add a few thousand headcount to the voter roles in the red states?

How does Philly vote again?

Maybe we can convince these uneducated people that the inheritance tax will effect them or that Syria is planning to bomb them.

Better yet, maybe you can convince them that terrorism is only a "nuisance" on the level of prostitution.

[sgtclub]

From Thomas Sowell:

President Bush and the Pope sailing down the Potomac on the Presidential yacht. The wind blows the Pontiff's cap off and it falls into the water. President Bush orders the yacht stopped, gets off and walks across the water to retrieve the Pope's cap.

The next day's headline in the New York Times reads: BUSH CAN'T SWIM

[bilmore]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Your taxes don't begin to pay for all the costs people who are forced to have children will be forced to bear.

I was out hunting (huntin'?) with some of the kids recently. As we walked along in a line, we flushed out three birds from one corn patch, two of which were roosters. As you do in that situation, we all called out "Rooster!". Middle son took the shot, and missed both, but, in missing, he blasted into two different patches ahead and flushed out several birds from each, all out of our range. I stood there thinking "why am I forced to let him live?"

So, your post really resonated for me.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
If there was a fastest way to shut you up, I'm sure somebody would have figured it out by now. The fastest way to get you freaks shrieking is to show you a picture of a torn-up 3rd trimester fetus and asking you why this should be legal bug hacking kids up on day 1 should not be. Your entire reasoning is based on the idea that you and others like DTB's friends are a bunch of selfish bastages, and you ascribe these traits to all others. Simply saying it, doesn't make it true. Slave's aunts and uncles and numerous young people from my area stand in absolute contrast to your vapid pontificating, and your blanket statements are proven wrong hundreds of thousands of times every year in this country by Catholics and others.

And you'd change the subject if you knew them (i.e., if you didn't surround yourself with vapid selfish me-first NIMBYers).

Hello

I love how you "values" people get on your horse and call people like me "moral relativists" and "selfish." Selfish? You are advocating forcing women you don't even know to lose part of their lives, if not their whole lives, because of your obnoxious moral certitude. Don't even think about pulling the Good Catholic card with me, asshole. I've seen what Catholicism does. I've seen the loveless marriages, alcoholism, guilt and all the other phobias wrought by your brand of "values." You arrogant fucks think you get to speak on behalf of women becuase the browbeaten excuses for women in your family never had the guts to let you know how they really felt about being relegated to housewife status by a patriarchal religion trapped in the 12th century. You want to tell women what to do with their bodies? You can do so - when you're a woman. Until then, you don't know shit but what dogma some priest fed you. I'm not daring to say I speak for women. I'll leave that choice to them.

I have friends in both high school and college who had abortions. You are making moral judgments on them. Who the fuck do you think you are, you pompous asshole. As long as you have a penis, I'd say this is a debate you should stay the fuck out of.

As to the NIMBY thing, I couldn't care less. You think I'm going to apologize for wanting to live somewhere nice and protect my investment? I don't even understand how that NIMBY thing is an insult. Of course I don't want anything bad in my backyard. To say otherwise would be absurd. What the hell is the matter with you?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I have friends in both high school and college who had abortions. You are making moral judgments on them.

Yep. No argument there.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by sgtclub
From Thomas Sowell:

President Bush and the Pope sailing down the Potomac on the Presidential yacht. The wind blows the Pontiff's cap off and it falls into the water. President Bush orders the yacht stopped, gets off and walks across the water to retrieve the Pope's cap.

The next day's headline in the New York Times reads: BUSH CAN'T SWIM

When did the Swifties become NYT reporters?

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Better yet, maybe you can convince them that terrorism is only a "nuisance" on the level of prostitution.

Was it ok when various administration and defense department officials called terrorist attacks "a nuisance"? And Kerry did not say that terrorism was a nuisance -- here's what he said (from the NYT Magazine article) http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/10/ma...=1&oref=login:

• When I asked Kerry what it would take for Americans to feel safe again, he displayed a much less apocalyptic worldview. ''We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance,'' Kerry said. ''As a former law-enforcement person, I know we're never going to end prostitution. We're never going to end illegal gambling. But we're going to reduce it, organized crime, to a level where it isn't on the rise. It isn't threatening people's lives every day, and fundamentally, it's something that you continue to fight, but it's not threatening the fabric of your life.''

Note to Bilmore -- this is what I was talking about when I said "hmmm, sounds familiar."

edited to add link to NYT. Not that anyone will actually read it, but you never know.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Not the topic at hand, but what about the "rights" of the putative father? Does he get a vote? Or does she unilaterally get the control of his wallet for 18 years?

Ask this question to any number of childless parents out there desperately trying to adopt.

Tell this to the "unwashed" middle class manufacturing, contruction and service industry employees, that, in on particular order, delivered yyou your paper, picked your orange juice, turned on your plumbing. sold you your suit, built you your car and directed the traffic to your shiny, tall office building.

When did you turn into such a classist fucking snob?

If anything, it would alleviate the need for illegal immigration.

How does Philly vote again?

Better yet, maybe you can convince them that terrorism is only a "nuisance" on the level of prostitution.

1. He gets a vote, but the person with the uterus gets veto power.

2. Neither of us has adoption stats, so I'm not going to argue on an issue neither of us can really speak to. No, I'm not googling the issue. I don't have all week to toy with you on this.

3. You misunderstood me. I meant that a child coming into the world should be given all advantages. You're advocating they be brought in to wash dishes? Its honorable work, but is that really your point?

4. I'm not classist. I just look down my nose at "traditionalists". I reserved that right. Act like a person 100 years ago and I'll ascribe the degree of enlightment a person had 100 years ago to you.

5. OK, so the argument is the aborted would be better off doing menail tasks for the rest of us. Who's classist again? I don't need a servant.

6. Terrorism is a nuisance. Its a horrific horrible nuisance. It could kill you, like many other things. What that has to do with this argument is beyond me, but I figured I'd better answer, to be "consistent" for Hello's sake.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Note to Bilmore -- this is what I was talking about when I said "hmmm, sounds familiar."

I understood perfectly what Kerry meant, and thought he was pretty much right on.

Just like when Bush said the war might be unwinnable. I imagine you were defending that statement, too, right? I mean, they were saying the exact same thing.

(P.S. Already read the article. We are a literate bunch!)

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by bilmore
I was out hunting (huntin'?) with some of the kids recently. As we walked along in a line, we flushed out three birds from one corn patch, two of which were roosters. As you do in that situation, we all called out "Rooster!". Middle son took the shot, and missed both, but, in missing, he blasted into two different patches ahead and flushed out several birds from each, all out of our range. I stood there thinking "why am I forced to let him live?"

So, your post really resonated for me.

Are you this bad in oral argument? I mean, really, I throw some wild analogies out there for sport, but... Eh, fuck it, I'll assume you're doing it on purpose or for laughs. Certainly, you're smart enough not to confuse absurdity with being profound (eta - or is that 'profundity' I meant there).

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield

3. You misunderstood me. I meant that a child coming into the world should be given all advantages. You're advocating they be brought in to wash dishes? Its honorable work, but is that really your point?

A child coming into the world should be given all advantages over who? Club, what does he mean by "advantages" here.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Are you this bad in oral argument? I mean, really, I throw some wild analogies out there for sport, but... Eh, fuck it, I'll assume you're doing it on purpose or for laughs. Certainly, you're smart enough not to confuse absurdity with being profound (eta - or is that 'profundity' I meant there).

Are you this bad at understanding reasoning in real life?

You make this same argument every time the abortion thing comes up, by simply ignoring, pointedly, the basic premise that you don't share but that drives the other side. Until you at least deal with it, you're like the guy at trial saying "Judge, my car won't even GO that fast!" - entertaining, but irrelevant.