Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And you don't think that this is, generally speaking, concerted stategery?

I know it is not. There is serious tension between the White House and Delay. Especially between Rove and Delay. Delay knows how to fire up the base, and rase, money but he alienates the mainstream. He makes life miserable for the White House.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
See, Hank? The best he can do is "Maybe not directly."

Face it -- Penske is symptomatic of the right-wing Repub obsession, and he's convinced that the Clintons have murdered dozens.

He's a wackadoo, but at least he's not my wackadoo.

Why? I am not saying that they did it. I'm saying its not impossible. To date, in my thirty some odd years on earth, to my knowledge there are exactly 0 incidents of circumstantial evidence or inuendo relating me to murder. The Clintons have scores of incidents.

Looking at them critically, they have a lot of scandal attached to them. Some with cause, some probably without. Isn't odd that many of the other people with first hand knowledge of the facts are dead, not from old age or in many cases from chronic disease? Again, I am not saying that proves anything; however compare with someone else with like inuendo, let's say, John Gotti.

Neighbour hits and kills his son, next day neighbour vanishes. Do you think he fled to the Bahamas to hide out? Same difference. What I don't get is why otherwise intelligent people are so quick to jump on these hucksters bandwagon.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Why? I am not saying that they did it. I'm saying its not impossible. To date, in my thirty some odd years on earth, to my knowledge there are exactly 0 incidents of circumstantial evidence or inuendo relating me to murder. The Clintons have scores of incidents.

Looking at them critically, they have a lot of scandal attached to them. Some with cause, some probably without. Isn't odd that many of the other people with first hand knowledge of the facts are dead, not from old age or in many cases from chronic disease? Again, I am not saying that proves anything; however compare with someone else with like inuendo, let's say, John Gotti.

Neighbour hits and kills his son, next day neighbour vanishes. Do you think he fled to the Bahamas to hide out? Same difference. What I don't get is why otherwise intelligent people are so quick to jump on these hucksters bandwagon.

Its not impossible that I'm a prophet. Its not impossible that Adriana Lima will run into me in the elevator as I'm leaving work and give me a 15 minute blow job. While you're reading your DSM-IV, look up "delusional ideation" and "paranoia."

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
I'd have to say that a man, based on political agenda, outing a woman as a CIA Agent and putting her and her children in harm's way after she has dedicated/risked her life to working for the people of the United States of America, would be far worse than Watergate in the public's mind. If Rove did it, Bush is so going to be toast.

If this comes to fruition - The administration will dazzle the media with an outstanding Chewbaca defense, Fox News will push other stories, the networks and newspapers will lose interest and the NYT will be painted as the arm of a desparate democratic party trying to stir trouble during to keep the public from focusing on the real issue - Mars, bitches.

Or Bush will shout "Nine Eleven" 100x times in a row in front of a screen showing planes crashing into the towers. Its hard work, but he's working hard.

Nobody will care. Brittany's baby Cletus will be born.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
I know it is not. There is serious tension between the White House and Delay. Especially between Rove and Delay. Delay knows how to fire up the base, and rase, money but he alienates the mainstream. He makes life miserable for the White House.

If they wanted to shut him down, they could. Thanks for reminding me that all politicians are unprincipled megalomaniacs (hi slave). Excepting Reagan. The Clintons would kill him.

That's why I don't give you guys money-and I get hit up on a daily basis.

A pox on all their houses.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Its not impossible that I'm a prophet. Its not impossible that Adriana Lima will run into me in the elevator as I'm leaving work and give me a 15 minute blow job. While you're reading your DSM-IV, look up "delusional ideation" and "paranoia."

Why is it so hard to believe? He has already proven that as a Yale educated lawyer, former state Atty General, Governor, and President, he was willing to ignore the law for his own self interest. If was he willing to break it once isn't possible he was willing to break previously? Now, I am not saying he ordered anyone killed, but let's say the governor of a hillbilly state with a lot of government sponsored graft and corruption is sitting in a room with his closest advisors, all self interested in maintaining their grip on power and the cash that comes with it. Someone is going to come out with damaging claims that could cost them that grip on power. Someone in the room says, we need to figure out a way to silence this guy. Someone else acts on it. If this was Nixon we were talking about, you would be quick to jump on it.

Look at Iran-Contra, how farfetched was that?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
2!

I'm being serious here. Let me know when Boxer's seat is up, and whether a (well-balanced economic conservative who won't spit in the face of the socially liberal electorate) decent opponent is available in your party (and to your liking). I'll raise funds for your guy in the east.

In terms of toeing the line, even numerous prominent Ds can say "I'm personally opposed to abortion, but am unwilling to take this away as an option to distressed women". Personally, I'd rather hear "I'm personally opposed to abortion, but its clear to me that the majority of the [city/state--according to RT, this country] electorate don't want abortion being outlawed, and the job I'm seeking is not to counter the will of the electorate". But I think the lines that the national Ds take on the national level should work for the local Rs at the local level... just not for the national Rs at the national level.


Hello

It is really hard to unseat a sitting Senator. But we will sure give it a try against Boxer. Feinstein is up this cycle but we will need some sort of miracle to replace her. The White House knows exactly what they are doing. Every strategist they have sent to our party has been top notch. Bush understands a lot of his positions are not popular here but he needs to stick by them for national support. So although he is a negative here in California he intentionlly tries to keep the negatives to a minimum. In Alabama the administration uses Bush to help and in California they try and let things focus on Arnold. However, Delay and Frist seem to think that the know better and keep underminding the administration strategy.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by AliHajiSheik


Or Bush will shout "Nine Eleven" 100x times in a row in front of a screen showing planes crashing into the towers. Its hard work, but he's working hard.

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It is hard work. And he's working hard. Nights at the lumber company. Want wood?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Madrid?

Where they coordinated out of Iraq?

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Thanks for reminding me that all politicians are unprincipled megalomaniacs (hi slave). Excepting Reagan. The Clintons would kill him.

Can we be so sure they didn't?:shrug:

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
At the very least, we'll have months of entertainment watching the Wahhabi Repubs on this board argue why it was no big deal (last time round on this issue, they were arguing that her identity wasn't really a secret, and it really wasn't that big a deal, because the gov't didn't really make much effort to keep her identity secret, and after all ---- 9/11.)

I'm not a Whhabi, but the argument was that there was no violation of the statute. Please let me know if, based on new facts, you believe a statute has been violated.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by AliHajiSheik
If this comes to fruition - The administration will dazzle the media with an outstanding Chewbaca defense, Fox News will push other stories, the networks and newspapers will lose interest and the NYT will be painted as the arm of a desparate democratic party trying to stir trouble during to keep the public from focusing on the real issue - Mars, bitches.

Or Bush will shout "Nine Eleven" 100x times in a row in front of a screen showing planes crashing into the towers. Its hard work, but he's working hard.

Nobody will care. Brittany's baby Cletus will be born.

Bush might time his Supreme Court nomination to overshadow the story (as he seems to be doing already, since he promised a nomination within days last week, but now - following the Post story about the Rove link - he is saying he won't offer one until next week), and he will try to link the two matters, so that he can make the defense that any investigation stemming from the Rove debacle is part of a Democratic plot to fuck with his nomination or revenge against a nomination of a conservative.

He'll also be able to use the nomination as an excuse to not discuss the Rove debacle. He'll say something like "I have much to accomplish, and am too busy to be bogged down in the poilitics of personal destruction."

But if its Rove, this story ain't going to disappear, no matter how hard Roger Ailes tries to deep six it. The Wash Post, Newsweek and Vanity Fair, not the Times, are leading the charge on this one. The Post desperately wants to get Watergate II, particularly since it got scooped on Deep Throat. If bush is smart, he'll try to cozy up to Woodward and offer him exclusives early... a make a friend of the imminent enemy defense. Woodward has questionable ethics and has already written a glowing kiss ass book about Bush's reaction to 9/11. Maybe they can buy off Woodward and the Post... maybe not. But either way, they have to deal with Newsweek, which wants Bush's head at the moment, due to the Koran story whipping his admin gave it...

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
If Rove is outed, the next few months will be the craziest bloodbath in a long time. You know the Dems won't stop with Rove. They'll push for a full on investigation of what Bush knew and when, and whether he was engaged in a cover up of any sort.

I just don't buy the Rove thing. How could an operator so shrewd and cold let a small fry like Wilson get far enough under his skin to cause him to do something so stupid? I hope its Rove, but I doubt it.

ETA: Is it possible W's henchmen are as dim and venal as Nixon's?

I have to disagree with you here. With the Repubs in control of both houses of Congress a witch hunt against the administration is unlikely. No matter what is discovered.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm not a Whhabi, but the argument was that there was no violation of the statute. Please let me know if, based on new facts, you believe a statute has been violated.

The one that makes it illegal to out CIA operatives.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
I'd have to say that a man, based on political agenda, outing a woman as a CIA Agent and putting her and her children in harm's way after she has dedicated/risked her life to working for the people of the United States of America, would be far worse than Watergate in the public's mind. If Rove did it, Bush is so going to be toast.

That is actually a good point. I stand corrected. I change my mind. If it is true there will be hell to pay.