A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop


I guess our disagreement makes me a lying, moronic, partisan traitor, right?

I would say no. It's your lack of suppourt for the War on Terror and your advocacy of cutting and running that does it. Also, if suppourt higher income taxes of any kind that hurts your cred too!

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Which is to say that there are plenty of people who believe -- for the right reasons -- that the best course for America is to pull out.

Perhaps we need a pregnant pause to consider implementing more fire power to consummate this thing properly before we pull out.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Just for kicks, I'm interested to see how your implicit defense of Ford squares with his rejection of Bush administration policy in Iraq, as reported in today's WaPo.

Why are they mutually exclusive?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Wrong. Certainly a segment of right minded red-state Americans stirred, but unfortunately the reaction of about 40-something percent of Americans, made up primarily of the faux-intellectual urban liberal crowd and the MSM, stirred to the same extent of a sleeping person letting out a loud fart without waking. Any recognition of the gravity of the attack or the ongoing threat was thin at best and created an illusory foundation of their support, which when real sacrifice and commitment was called for collapsed under the weight of their immorally relativism and now has devolved to a call for cowardly and irresponsible cuttting and running.

Sad that these people don't understand G-d's gift of freedom to us.....

On another note, good to see that as part of her eulogisation of the late President Ford, Cindy Sheehan has held him responsible for the deaths of 3000 American troops in Iraq. The liberal inteligentsia must be proud to have her as its moral leader....right up there with its other shining lights....a rapist, a murderer and a racist.

Please don't start being like this again. Its not very entertaining.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Our participation has certainly been half-hearted from a military perspective. Bush was unwilling in the early days, when it would have been effective, to take the risks necessary to execute on his proclaimed objectives, knowing that the level of American casualties would be unacceptable. That was a Catch-22 of his own making, and the problem with waging war with lukewarm support.

What should Bush have done (you bloodthirsty war monger)? I agree, but what do you think he should have done? And if you don't have the support to do what you think is in the security interest of the American people, do you think a president should decide not to do it?

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy But what we have today is probably best described more in the nature of near-anarchy, or possibly insurrection or civil war.

I would agree with you if all the fighting wasn't mainly localized around Baghdad (or if not Bagdad then in the Sunni areas).

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
But when we have committed essentially all available military personel to the theatre, it's hard not to call it a war - even if we're being cautious about the use of force while they are committed.

It seems to me that we have a lot of soldiers committed to other areas. Like Europe and Korea etc. Maybe it is time to reconsider those commitments.

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

This is aside from the fact that the only remaining justification for being there that Bush can use with a straight face is that it is part of the "war on terror".

What about creating a stable democracy in the middle east? I think he has said again and again that that is in our interests also. I believe that turning Iraq from Saddam's hell hole into a stable democracy that would by its very existence put pressure on the other government in the area to adopt democratic reforms would be invaluable. I fact such a result would be worth ten times what we have already put into it. Of course, spending ten times what have spent in blood in treasure may not guarantee that outcome, but considering the huge potential pay off, the initial risk was definitely worth it. .

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
And, yes, given that Bush has trouble explaining why the hell we're there (he certainly never came up with a reason Ford would buy), it is not surprising that those "liberal morons" don't understand how important it is to stay the course. Was Ford a liberal moron?

From what I read - and heard - Ford criticized Bush for focusing too much on the WMDs as an excuse for going to war. I have and still hold that same position. But I don't think Ford told Woodward that he opposed the war. Am I wrong?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Why are they mutually exclusive?

Good answer....good answer...:sportswav

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Please don't start being like this again. Its not very entertaining.

Which part?

Also, would it help if you knew that I was smashing a watermelon with a giant mallet concurrent with posting here?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky


From what I read - and heard - Ford criticized Bush for focusing too much on the WMDs as an excuse for going to war. I have and still hold that same position. But I don't think Ford told Woodward that he opposed the war. Am I wrong?

11th Commandment Spanky. Ford should have kept his yap shut and concentrated on his short game or better explain how he could claim that the Soviet Union did not control the East European Bloc in 1976. Anyone who makes such a claim has no business talking about WMDs or other military intelligence strategems.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Are the Twins part of the administration? I posted a pic of Jenna's coochie once on the Adult Board. I wouldn't mind applying some oppositional force there, iykwimaittyd.

During the 2000 campaign W. did assign a nickname to me. It was also relayed to me that when I got behind the campaign to unseat Pombo, Cheney called me " a little shit" and threw a coffee cup across the room. Of course the source on that is triple hearsay. I am not exactly buddies with these guys, but they are aware of my existence.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
During the 2000 campaign W. did assign a nickname to me. It was also relayed to me that when I got behind the campaign to unseat Pombo, Cheney called me " a little shit" and threw a coffee cup across the room. Of course the source on that is triple hearsay. I am not exactly buddies with these guys, but they are aware of my existence.

Hmmmmmm.....during the great GA salary wars of 1998-2001, the managing partner of a Seattle "big"law firm was heard to exclaim in a partner's meeting, "who the hell is this fucking asshole Penske? Can someone find out what firm he is at so we can get his ass fired!!" I don't think he threw his coffee..... Seattlites have more respect for a cup of the java than to do that, plus throwing one of those little espresso cups across a room does not have a big impact.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
During the 2000 campaign W. did assign a nickname to me.

I generally refrain from responding to the same post twice, but this one deserved special notice....what was the nickname?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
1. It was not an implicit defense of Ford, but whether I like Ford or not is irrelevant to Sheehan's (and her followers in liberal left and Demo party) idiotic attempt to lay blame for anything, good or bad, on Ford and his administration. She is a lunatical loser and its sad and embarassing that she is one of the shining lights of the new Democratic party.

2. I think its a chickenshit gutless move on Ford's part and if he wasn't dead I would wish it upon him for his violation of the 11th commandment and assorted lesserknown double secret codicils of the Republican honour code that I can't divulge to the enemies here, although, without having read WaPo today, it wouldn't surprise me if he asked them to hold it for 5 years after his death and they published it now anyway, as part of the ongoing MSM conspiracy to wrongly discredit Bush. After the Janet Cooke thing, no lack of ethics or honestly on WaPo's part would surprise me.

Why is anything Cindy Sheehan's saying getting any airplay? Is she at all qualified to speak about foreign affairs?* Is she a student of history? Has she written papers about Ford? Did she work in his administration? Has she held office of any sort?

Citing Sheehan is like citing Geraldo Rivera or Jerry Springer, or offering broad opinions from dilletantes on this board as snippets from learned political treatises. It's amusing material for jokes and light discussion, but doesn't deserve more than the thinnest passing consideration.

*No, her ostensible "moral standing" does not give her words any validity. She's a crank, screaming into the wind. Emotional gravitas and rational intelligence have no common thread.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Are the Twins part of the administration? I posted a pic of Jenna's coochie once on the Adult Board. I wouldn't mind applying some oppositional force there, iykwimaittyd.

During the 2000 campaign W. did assign a nickname to me. It was also relayed to me that when I got behind the campaign to unseat Pombo, Cheney called me " a little shit" and threw a coffee cup across the room. Of course the source on that is triple hearsay. I am not exactly buddies with these guys, but they are aware of my existence.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Good answer....good answer...:sportswav

"Obvious" is more like it.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Ford should have kept his yap shut and concentrated on his short game or better explain how he could claim that the Soviet Union did not control the East European Bloc in 1976.

You don't complain if Ford openly supports the war, right? So isn't obvious that when he says nothing, he's against it?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
During the 2000 campaign W. did assign a nickname to me. It was also relayed to me that when I got behind the campaign to unseat Pombo, Cheney called me " a little shit" and threw a coffee cup across the room. Of course the source on that is triple hearsay. I am not exactly buddies with these guys, but they are aware of my existence.

Hmmmmmm.....during the great GA salary wars of 1998-2001, the managing partner of a Seattle "big"law firm was heard to exclaim in a partner's meeting, "who the hell is this fucking asshole Penske? Can someone find out what firm he is at so we can get his ass fired!!" I don't think he threw his coffee..... Seattlites have more respect for a cup of the java than to do that, plus throwing one of those little espresso cups across a room does not have a big impact.