Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
You are such a partisan hack. Every President, Democrat or Republican, has supported this policy. Clinton signed the Helms Burton treaty into law that tightened the screws on the embargo (punishing foreign companys that did business in Cuba by limiting their access to US markets).

The reason that this embargo exists is because the Cubans in Florida support the embargo and Florida is a swing state. It should have been ended long ago but for politics.

I didn't say that Democrats were blameless. But the government is controlled by the GOP right now, so they can take responsibility just now.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
I think we give Castro six months to call free elections. If he does not we invade. No reason not to.

What would be our justification? Might makes right again?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
What would be our justification? Might makes right again?

That and the Cuban WMD that Bolton was trying to raise the alarm about.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Containment of what? Even a simple skirt chaser like Teddy's brother called bullshit when Cuba tried to get WMDs.

You tell me, Hank. If you're justifying the Cuba policy, I would hope you've got SOME reason to make it a crime to travel there or trade with them.

WMD? Containment of Capital C "Communism"? The length of Castro's beard? If we're gonna kick over this popsicle stand too, we need to have a good reason, though I'll concede that this new nation-building project for Bush will have the advantages of women, music, cigars, liquor and high draft picks.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Gattigap
You tell me, Hank. If you're justifying the Cuba policy, I would hope you've got SOME reason to make it a crime to travel there or trade with them.

WMD? Containment of Capital C "Communism"? The length of Castro's beard? If we're gonna kick over this popsicle stand too, we need to have a good reason, though I'll concede that this new nation-building project for Bush will have the advantages of women, music, cigars, liquor and high draft picks.

Ever see the Godfather II? My family has about 2 million reasons not to let those fuckers off the mat. Now if they'd pay retributions I might rethink it. But this is one Guido who got burned once.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
What would be our justification? Might makes right again?

How about right makes right. Or might for right. Oh I forgot, in your moral relativistic world the Cuban dictatorship and American democracy are morally equal.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That and the Cuban WMD that Bolton was trying to raise the alarm about.

Exactly, because we all now know, after being educated by the democrats, that the only justification for invading a country is if they have WMDs. If a dictator is trampling on the human right of their citizens or actually engaged in Genocide, it is still immoral to remove them. The use of might is an immoral act unless there are WMDs.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Gattigap
If we're gonna kick over this popsicle stand too, we need to have a good reason,

Because as the liberals have made it so clear that the trampling of human rights and condemning the entire nation to poverty is not enough to justify regime change. I forgot is that because trampling of human rights in not a bad thing or the use of might is always wrong?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
How about right makes right. Or might for right. Oh I forgot, in your moral relativistic world the Cuban dictatorship and American democracy are morally equal.

Are you drunk or just incredibly stupid? Calling me morally relativistic, a term I'll gladly accept if that means I don't advocate unprovoked wars, doesn't justify invasion.

You and the intellectually bereft, morally corrupt adminstration that you support whole heartedly so love taking this bullshit macho swaggering approach to war that it makes me and the rest of the world sick. This cavalier approach to war, along with the decision over which of our children will be forced to kill and to die, proves that you and your kind cannot be entrusted with even the slightest of control over our national affairs.

So Castro's a human rights abuser and a commie. If our standard now is that we're justifying violating the integrity of all sovreign nations with poor government, lousy economies, and poor human rights records, we mights as well get ready to take down all of the Americas south of us. Besides, Castro is hardly the worst human rights abuser in the world, making this argument absurd on its face.

Is Castro a threat to our national security? Last I checked, we were the ones that tried to invade Cuba, not the other way around. We were the ones who sought to assassinate Castro, not vice versa.* All he does is send Republicans to Florida which, however distasteful, is hardly cause for war. No serious national security argument can be made for invading Cuba.

The only reason I can see for your advocating a war of aggression agains Cuba is you just find him annoying. He's like Saddam, without the oil, the WMDs, and the invasion of his neighbors. He thumbs his nose at us, so you want to apply your party's myopic swatting-flies-with-2X4s "foreign policy."

The rest of the world doesn't understand even our embargo of Cuba. Canada, our closest ally and largest trading partner, recognizes Cuba for what is really is -- a nice place to vacation in the Carribbean shitty government and no economy outside of tourism. Then they comed home and sell us their cigars. How would they respond to an unprovoked war? How will the rest of the world respond and how will it impact their cooperation on the global war on terror (or whatever we're calling it these days).

You show appallingly bad judgment by proposing an unprovoked invasion of Cuba. Such an action would turn our country into a Rogue Nation. Forgive me for having more respect for my country than that. Must be the moral relativist in me.





*Castro gets parial credit for being suspected of JFK's assassination, but you guys never liked him anyway and have no cause to complain.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Are you drunk or just incredibly stupid? Calling me morally relativistic, a term I'll gladly accept if that means I don't advocate unprovoked wars, doesn't justify invasion.

You and the intellectually bereft, morally corrupt adminstration that you support whole heartedly so love taking this bullshit macho swaggering approach to war that it makes me and the rest of the world sick. This cavalier approach to war, along with the decision over which of our children will be forced to kill and to die, proves that you and your kind cannot be entrusted with even the slightest of control over our national affairs.

So Castro's a human rights abuser and a commie. If our standard now is that we're justifying violating the integrity of all sovreign nations with poor government, lousy economies, and poor human rights records, we mights as well get ready to take down all of the Americas south of us. Besides, Castro is hardly the worst human rights abuser in the world, making this argument absurd on its face.

Is Castro a threat to our national security? Last I checked, we were the ones that tried to invade Cuba, not the other way around. We were the ones who sought to assassinate Castro, not vice versa.* All he does is send Republicans to Florida which, however distasteful, is hardly cause for war. No serious national security argument can be made for invading Cuba.

The only reason I can see for your advocating a war of aggression agains Cuba is you just find him annoying. He's like Saddam, without the oil, the WMDs, and the invasion of his neighbors. He thumbs his nose at us, so you want to apply your party's myopic swatting-flies-with-2X4s "foreign policy."

The rest of the world doesn't understand even our embargo of Cuba. Canada, our closest ally and largest trading partner, recognizes Cuba for what is really is -- a nice place to vacation in the Carribbean shitty government and no economy outside of tourism. Then they comed home and sell us their cigars. How would they respond to an unprovoked war? How will the rest of the world respond and how will it impact their cooperation on the global war on terror (or whatever we're calling it these days).

You show appallingly bad judgment by proposing an unprovoked invasion of Cuba. Such an action would turn our country into a Rogue Nation. Forgive me for having more respect for my country than that. Must be the moral relativist in me.





*Castro gets parial credit for being suspected of JFK's assassination, but you guys never liked him anyway and have no cause to complain.

I shit biggar'n you

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I shit biggar'n you

Every day, on the boards.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
What would be our justification? Might makes right again?

The liberation of Elian to right the wrong Clinton and Jackboot Reno delivered unto him.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter


So Castro's a human rights abuser and a commie. .....Is Castro a threat to our national security?

If FDR (notwithstanding all of his many faults and fuckups) and Truman had been urine stained cowards that their liberal descendants have become we'd all be speaking Nazi now. And Bobby Byrd would probably the fatherland's Governor-general here in the colony.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
The liberation of Elian to right the wrong Clinton and Jackboot Reno delivered unto him.

Too bad Terri Schiavo couldn't go with him, no?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
If FDR (notwithstanding all of his many faults and fuckups) and Truman had been urine stained cowards that their liberal descendants have become we'd all be speaking Nazi now. And Bobby Byrd would probably the fatherland's Governor-general here in the colony.
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Castro's been in power for 40 years. If he wanted us all to be speaking Spanish, he's proven fabulously inept.