Politics: A new beginning

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
As the City and County of San Francisco goes, so goes the City and County of San Francisco.

[Edited to add: I was going to say, "As the City of S.F. goes, so goes the County," but it seemed a little Inside Baseball.]

And so goes Berkeley and Marin, too.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Not Me
And so goes Berkeley and Marin, too.

Doubtful. Berkeley is Gonzalez country, while San Francisco appears deeply divided.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Brad DeLong discusses the unemployment rate and people who are reporting themselves out of the labor force here.

"More than half of the additional people who would have reported themselves as unemployed in a previous big recessionary period... aren't. They're reporting themselves as out of the labor force instead.

"Why? What's happened to change the relationship between changes in employment and changes in the labor force? And what does it mean? ....

"It is a mystery to me."

edited to remove the nifty graph, which you can see in a more appropriate size at his site

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Brad DeLong discusses the unemployment rate and people who are reporting themselves out of the labor force here.

"More than half of the additional people who would have reported themselves as unemployed in a previous big recessionary period... aren't. They're reporting themselves as out of the labor force instead.

"Why? What's happened to change the relationship between changes in employment and changes in the labor force? And what does it mean? ....

"It is a mystery to me."

edited to remove the nifty graph, which you can see in a more appropriate size at his site

My thoughts on this are that if true, it is due to a combination of factors:

1) a sign of higher household wealth (which can support the family if income declines); and

2) a recognition that more skills are necessary to compete in the labor force and more previously unskilled workers opting for more education/training; and

3) more parents deciding it is better not to pay other people to raise their kids (which was quite fashionable in the 80's and 90's) and deciding to raise their kids themselves (which is more fashionable today).

It could also be due to flawed methodology in collecting the data.

It was not clear from the article why the changes in the data cannot be due to more self-employed persons.

[notcasesensitive]

(was on cnn site)

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Congress approved a bill Monday outlawing some of the most annoying forms of junk e-mail and creating a "do not spam" registry.

By a voice vote, the House approved the bill containing jail time and multimillion-dollar fines for online marketers who flood e-mail inboxes with pornography and get-rich-quick schemes.

The measure, which cleared the Senate last month, now goes to the White House where President Bush is expected to sign it into law by the end of the year."


Do people think this sort of measure will work as well as the Do Not Call Lists? Think that it'll get the same court challenges prior to establishment?

On a related subject, how do the pop-up blocking programs seem to be working? My home computer is virtually unusable at this point because of fucking pop-up ads.

[leagleaze]

I think the anti spam legislation is useless. The bulk of the spammers are using remailers from outside the country and they aren't particularly interested in following the law.

I use the google toolbar and it has made popups a thing of the past. We discussed it on the tech board briefly, I have never had a problem with it, but one person mentioned he had.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by leagleaze
I think the anti spam legislation is useless. The bulk of the spammers are using remailers from outside the country and they aren't particularly interested in following the law.

I use the google toolbar and it has made popups a thing of the past. We discussed it on the tech board briefly, I have never had a problem with it, but one person mentioned he had.

Does anyone know the rationale behind having the law preempt state anti-spam laws? It was my impression that the telemarketing law didn't preempt state laws, but maybe I am wrong about that.

[F.U. Harold Carswell]

Originally posted by Not Me
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031208/D7VAF64G0.html

Cite above. I bet Hillary doesn't like this one bit.

Hillary has no say in the matter you simpleton. AlGore invented Howard Dean and now he finally gets his revenge by sticking a long knife into his political bete noires, the Clintons. This is a long time coming and well deserved.

Word on the street is that AlGore is going to prep Dean-o for the debates, which means that there is nothing the McAuliffe and the Dems can do now to stop W from steam-rolling his way into another term.

Of course the Woodman doesn't want Dean to win. In his image he wants the Vermont dupe to be nominated and lose, thus setting the stage for a 2008 Gore v. Clinton deathmatch. It’s a duplication of the Nixon strategy from 64-68 with Hillary playing the Bobby Kennedy carpet bagger role. Gore had better watch his back and stay the hell out of Fort Marcy Park.

This thing is going to get messier before it’s over.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Does anyone know the rationale behind having the law preempt state anti-spam laws? It was my impression that the telemarketing law didn't preempt state laws, but maybe I am wrong about that.

There is a fear with email that having a lot of different laws in different states which impose criminal liability will make it impossible for people to know what laws they are violating.

To some extent it is easier to control what state you are calling into, but you don't really know into what state you are emailing.

The telemarketing does not preempt state laws, you are correct.

[F.U. Harold Carswell]

Originally posted by leagleaze
I think the anti spam legislation is useless.

Ditto. This looks like another special interest pork by-product.

This PoS is thye work of the democrat minority and phonies like McCain. Much like campaign finance reform.

It stinks!

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by F.U. Harold Carswell
[not quite sure what's written, because you can't get past the left column]

Damn, Penske, that's the ugliest avatar I've ever seen.

[F.U. Harold Carswell]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Damn, Penske, that's the ugliest avatar I've ever seen.

Are you a dumbass? Ever hear of a substantive response? I could care less if anyone here calls me a sock. Its simple. I'm a newber with a bent for some controversial debate.

Deal with it.

At this point you are either for Dean or against him but things are shaking out in the Democrat party and I'm willing to lay my thoughts down. Are you?

[F.U. Harold Carswell]

Guilty on all counts. http://www.argusleader.com/janklowtr...article2.shtml

Great news. I don't care how if he was a Democratic or a Republican, he was still a scofflaw and he consistently abused his office to circumvent the traffic laws and then killed a man to boot.

No special treatment for politicians on either side of the aisle.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by F.U. Harold Carswell
I could care less if anyone here calls me a sock. Its simple. I'm a newber with a bent for some controversial debate.

Deal with it.

Well, you sure picked the right night for it. The site will be going down any time soon. Don't take it personally, though, it was planned far in advance of your arrival.

There is another "newber" who showed up today on the FB. You might want to pop on over there and say "Hi" to her. Her name is "Glazed Ham." Almost as good as your name.

She doesn't like toupees, though, so if that is an issue for you, just a warning.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by F.U. Harold Carswell
No special treatment for politicians on either side of the aisle.

But he DID get special treatment. He got treated especially badly.

Accidents happen every day. That's negligence. But, caving to public pressure, they nailed him for gross negligence, willful indifference, and the like. Historically, past driving records don't suffice for that. Further, he was driving like every other bozo in a state with miles to nowhere and eight-foot corn.

He should bleed in the civil suit. But, this shouldn't have been a criminal matter.