Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[Dave]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Actually, it was Oscar Wilde. But thanks for playing.

You're welcome, but I'm sticking with Churchill.*

I begin with a story included in my principles textbook (Colander 2001a) thatraises a failure-of-market-outcome issue. It is a story about Lady Astor and Winston Churchill. Churchill asks Lady Astor if she would sleep with him for one million dollars. They know each other quite well, and she contemplates the offer as part of a broader intellectual game they played. After some thought, she responds, “Yes, if the payment could be guaranteed.” To which he replies,“Would you sleep with me for $1?” To which she replies, “Of course not, what do you think I am, a whore?” He responds triumphantly, “We’ve already established that; now we’re simply negotiating about price.”

if it's on the web, it must be true! (pdf file)

* in all fairness, this story has been ascribed to everyone this side of Pauly Shore.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by The Dryer Thread
No Dr. Frankenstein! No!

I would have gone with a "close the pod bay doors, Hal" type of line myself, but that works, too.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
As to torturing Khalif Muhhamed and Co... fuuuuck, we should do that just for kicks. Hell, I'd feed those fuckers aphetamines and house them in cells with nothing but copies of the Torah and Old and New testaments and books on Hinduism and Buddhism. They'd hear nothing but boy bands all day... Shit, I put Yentl on constant replay one week, Ishtar and Battleship Earth the next... Maybe you're right... a cattle prod probably isn't necessary.

Thank you, that's all I'm sayin'.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by The Dryer Thread
Seriously though, how is it that I've kicked the shit out of a few guys, yet I'm NOT a Republican? It really shouldn't work that way.

They were communists . . .

[sgtclub]

Dem presidential hopeful John Kerry personally phoned anti-Kerry swift boat vets, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

Kerry reached out to Robert "Friar Tuck" Brant Cdr., USN (RET) Sunday night, just hours after former Sen. Bob Dole publicly challenged Kerry to apologize to veterans.

Brant was skipper of the #96 and # 36 boat and spent time with Kerry in An Thoi. Kerry and Brant slept in the same quarters, and Brant used to put Kerry back to bed at night when Kerry was sleepwalking.

Brant received a call from Kerry at his home in Virginia while he was watching the Olympics on TV.

The call lasted 10 minutes, sources tell DRUDGE.

KERRY: "Why are all these swift boat guys opposed to me?"

BRANT: "You should know what you said when you came back, the impact it had on the young sailors and how it was disrespectful of our guys that were killed over there."

[Brant had two men killed in battle.]

KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92, I said to all the swift guys that I wasn't talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the veterans."

Kerry then asked if he could meet Brant ["You were one of the best"] -- man to man -- face to face.

Brant declined the invite, explaining that Kerry was obviously not prepared to correct the record on exactly what happened during Vietnam and what happened when Kerry came back.

http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc98.htm

[sgtclub]

Kerry's campaign now says is possible first Purple Heart was awarded for unintentional self-inflicted wound...


Kerry received Purple Heart for wounds suffered on 12/2/68...


In Kerry's own journal written 9 days later, he writes he and his crew, quote, 'hadn't been shot at yet'... Developing

http://www.drudgereport.com/

This is significant because, as I understand it, a purple heart can't be awarded for self-inflicted wounds, unless self inflicted during fire with the enemy.

For those of you that don't trust drudge, I heard the same story last night from CC Collins of Time.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.drudgereport.com/

This is significant because, as I understand it, a purple heart can't be awarded for self-inflicted wounds, unless self inflicted during fire with the enemy.

For those of you that don't trust drudge, I heard the same story last night from CC Collins of Time.

While I absolutely refuse to criticize the guy's military service, I think the record should be absolutely clear and unobfuscated as to what he brags about. If the metal he carries around in his body is from a grenade that he himself threw in the immediate absence of any enemy soldiers (see yesterday's WaPo link), than he should not be linking it to his medals or his Purple Hearts.

Furthermore, if the second or third purple heart was for nothing more than bumping his arm, than I think hundreds of thousands of other veterans deserve medals they didn't receive.

Still, this story sucks and its hurting America (the Big big story).

First, commandante generallisimo (Sp?) Bush used family connections for a plum spot, and then never faced the risks which Johnson and Kennedy sent so many other young men to face. (Note: those two motherfuckers should be burned in effigy every day in this country). Bottom line: the controversy over this sends a horrible message to our youth unless we turn him out. (Note: even a few self-described conservatives here have said service should not be a prerequisite... while not necessarily untrue, it should be a quite positive factor).

Second, lieutenant O'Kerrystien got into a soft unit that was thrown into dangerous use after he joined. Hey, its better than the infantry, right? They probably promised him Kennesbunkport-type sailing experiences. He gets thrown into battle. He generally acts okay (read: admirably), but gets out way earlier than hundreds of throusands of others were ever given a chance to. He comes home and acts like a complete asshole hippy. Than he runs on his record of bravery and acts outraged when half of his former comrades express revulsion, basically at the sight of him.

They start questioning the awards that got him out after only 4 months. In comparison, Bush never needed anything to get out because he never was in.

What do the kids learn from this? Neither candidate wanted to be there, and the smadda one figured out a way not be there at all. When you grow up, be smart about how you avoid the infantry.

Which is to say, I hate this fucking election, and I hate these two jagoffs for playing hero in a manner that insults millions of our nations true heros. Fuck them. Fuck them all.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Still, this story sucks and its hurting America (the Big big story).

I agree with a lot of what you posted. I really and truly admire Kerry (and all others) that volunteered to go to war. That is balls and he deserves our respect for that.

I do not see Swiftvets gate as denigrading that service. Medals or not, the dude was injured in service to the country. Period, but not end of story.

Just like the fact that he volunteered and served (as far as I can tell) admirably shows us attributes of his character, so does his actions (a) in allegedly working the system and fluffing the record to get the medals (if true), and (b) in the hippy movement when he got back.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sgtclub

Just like the fact that he volunteered and served (as far as I can tell) admirably shows us attributes of his character, so does his actions (a) in allegedly working the system and fluffing the record to get the medals (if true), and (b) in the hippy movement when he got back.

I'll just note, it wasn't just fluffing the system to get the medals. It was fluffing the record to get out via three purple hearts (if true).

It doesn't even come close to not going in the first place (and after my public school upbringing, who wouldn't understand trying to get out of a war). The problem is, it ain't necessarily something he particularly should be bragging (and using as a distinction from Bush) about if he doesn't wanna answer questions, and if the distinction ends up just casting them both in a bad light in oh so many ways.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I'll just note, it wasn't just fluffing the system to get the medals. It was fluffing the record to get out via three purple hearts (if true).

If true, I'll take someone who fluffs a record to get himself out of a war over someone who fluffs a record to get a nation into a war.

Hmm. Fluffs. Dryer thread, where are you?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Use of "jagoffs"

Yinz want to go dan to Primanti's and git a sandwich an Iron City after work?

PM me if you get this...

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Not Me
You are an idiot and a pussy. I hope you and your wife get sterilized so that you stop breeding. We don't need more of your kind.

No, moron, America is the greatest nation because of our economic power. But our economic power wasn't created by morons like you.

Bush is a pussy who lacks the resolve to lead us in war and/or diplomacy.

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Not Me
Yeah, you know what they would think. Right. HA!

It is the Democrats who are destroying this country. They want to turn us into a bunch of socialist pussies.

Bush is a pussy who lacks the resolve to lead us in war and/or diplomacy.

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Not Me
Yep. The rest of us are like, nothing to see here, move on. Yawn.

Bush is a pussy who lacks the resolve to lead us in war and/or diplomacy.

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.drudgereport.com/

This is significant because, as I understand it, a purple heart can't be awarded for self-inflicted wounds, unless self inflicted during fire with the enemy.

For those of you that don't trust drudge, I heard the same story last night from CC Collins of Time.

Club --

I think it is fairly well established that the first PH came from a wound in the ass Kerry received from his own grenade, after Kerry used it to destroy VC rice stores during a combat mission . (he and a buddy were headed away from the explosion -- not fast enough). So yes, that is self-inflicted.

It was my understanding that the Navy deemed that this wound qualified because of the nature of the mission, even though they weren't taking fire. Do you have some evidence that Kerry lied to get the decoration?

S_A_M