Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Not Bob
The only historical parallel that comes to mind is the hatred that the Right had for FDR and Eleanor.

Yep. The right wing hates one thing more than any other -- a Democrat who governs well. Winning the war, ending the depression..... or balancing the budget, creating 20 million jobs..... Those things just piss the right wing off.

There's only one thing the right wing hates more than that, which is a prominent woman who won't live in the shadow of her husband, like Eleanor or Hillary.

There's only one thing the right wing hates even more than that, and that is the element of surprise. And a fanatical devotion to the pope. And these fancy red suits. And....

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Or all the smoking guns were snuffed out.

We all know that's what you believe.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Is your point that people do not properly appreciate that the bombings kill people? Maybe if we call them "killing homicide bombings", or "deathly homicide bombing attacks."

His point is that when traitors and terror-supporters, like Ariel Sharon and the Israeli Defense Forces,* use the term "suicide bombers" over and over again, they are really trying to engender sympathy for terrorists.


Seriously, that is his point.




*with the exception of Penske's imaginary neighbor.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I wonder why there were so many about the Clintons when other politicians who provoked similiarly strong feelings from the opposite side of the aisle, Nixon, Reagan, W and even Ted Kennedy do not have this level of inuendo surrounding them.

Nixon and Ted Kennedy? Really? There are enough conspiracy books about Nixon and TEd Kennedy to fill madison square garden.

And W. Have you seen all those books about W. and the house of Saud, Cheney and Halliburton, W. engineered 911. W. invaded Afghanistan to build a pipleline. Rigging Florida. The list is endless.

And what about Gore and all those fundraising accusations. HWB and his affair with that aid. My friend Mike Rogers has a website that lists all the people that W. and Cheney have killed.

I have friends that firmly believe that Clinton ran Coke through Nicaragua and other friends that think 911 was engineered by the military industrial complex. Try and guess which partys they are in.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Spanky
Nixon and Ted Kennedy? Really? There are enough conspiracy books about Nixon and TEd Kennedy to fill madison square garden.

And W. Have you seen all those books about W. and the house of Saud, Cheney and Halliburton, W. engineered 911. W. invaded Afghanistan to build a pipleline. Rigging Florida. The list is endless.

And what about Gore and all those fundraising accusations. HWB and his affair with that aid. My friend Mike Rogers has a website that lists all the people that W. and Cheney have killed.

I have friends that firmly believe that Clinton ran Coke through Nicaragua and other friends that think 911 was engineered by the military industrial complex. Try and guess which partys they are in.

I hope you have a lot of friends, and not all of them are like these guys.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Not at a comparable level.

True. Nixon has 'em all beat, except for maybe Reagan.

[Spanky]

I wish some of these conspriacies were true. It would show that someone really knew what was going on. The problem is that everyone is winging it. No one really knows what they are doing. I was pretty high up in the Bush campaign and had some friends that were pretty high up in the Gore campaign. I thought nothing could be more disorganized and screwed up than the Bush campaign until I talked to my friend at the Gore campaign. I went to Florida right after the election and that was beyond unbelievable. It was a like a kids soccer game, where every kid surrounds the ball. It was total chaos. Anything could have happened in Florida, and what did was way beyond anyones control.

I have a bunch of friends that work at the White House and many left because of the chaos and lack of direction. But the permanent staff at the White House has told them that things are unbelievably focused and organized compared to Clinton's tenure.

I was not involved in the Bush campaign in 2004, but my friend was with Bush when he was about to concede to Kerry when the exit polls made it clear there was going to be a Kerry landslide.

The people in Washington are too busy putting out fires, and dealing with the next ten minutes, to have any time to worry about long term conspiracies.

Anyone of these successful conspiracies would show that people have been able to put together all the crazy variables of national politics and exert some plan that was executed and actually went according to plan. Unfortunately, now one can account for one tenth of the variables, no one really knows what is going to happen next, and no one is in control.

Eighty percent of what happens in national politics is unpredictable, so conspiracies just aren't feasible. Unfortunately what you see is what you get - and it ain't pretty.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
True. Nixon has 'em all beat, except for maybe Reagan.

the world wasa safer cleaner place when Nixon left office due to what nixon did (EPA- open doors to China). The same isn't true of clinton. He ignored al Queda and his only real enviromental achievment was inacting a iodine limit on drinking water. of course the limit couldn't be met and he didn't put it in place until his last week in office, but still it was something.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
Eighty percent of what happens in national politics is unpredictable, so conspiracies just aren't feasible. Unfortunately what you see is what you get - and it ain't pretty.

2. It all unravels so quickly. I went from World Ruler to dumbest in just one lo-berry post.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Winning the war . . . ending the depression..... .

HA! Took him 13 years to do it! Seriously, most economists believe that Roosevelt's actions deepened and prolonged the depression. And does he really get credit for winning the war? I thought that was Truman.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
I wish some of these conspriacies were true. It would show that someone really knew what was going on. The problem is that everyone is winging it. No one really knows what they are doing. I was pretty high up in the Bush campaign and had some friends that were pretty high up in the Gore campaign. I thought nothing could be more disorganized and screwed up than the Bush campaign until I talked to my friend at the Gore campaign. I went to Florida right after the election and that was beyond unbelievable. It was a like a kids soccer game, where every kid surrounds the ball. It was total chaos. Anything could have happened in Florida, and what did was way beyond anyones control.

I have a bunch of friends that work at the White House and many left because of the chaos and lack of direction. But the permanent staff at the White House has told them that things are unbelievably focused and organized compared to Clinton's tenure.

I was not involved in the Bush campaign in 2004, but my friend was with Bush when he was about to concede to Kerry when the exit polls made it clear there was going to be a Kerry landslide.

The people in Washington are too busy putting out fires, and dealing with the next ten minutes, to have any time to worry about long term conspiracies.

Anyone of these successful conspiracies would show that people have been able to put together all the crazy variables of national politics and exert some plan that was executed and actually went according to plan. Unfortunately, now one can account for one tenth of the variables, no one really knows what is going to happen next, and no one is in control.

Eighty percent of what happens in national politics is unpredictable, so conspiracies just aren't feasible. Unfortunately what you see is what you get - and it ain't pretty.

You are no fun. Can't you just play along a little?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
You are no fun. Can't you just play along a little?

And let me add, the commodities trading thing smells, no matter how you slice it.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sgtclub
HA! Took him 13 years to do it! Seriously, most economists believe that Roosevelt's actions deepened and prolonged the depression. And does he really get credit for winning the war? I thought that was Truman.

Yes to end a recession, you cut taxes and increase spending. Roosevelt kept trying to keep the balance in budget. He increased spending, but in order to pay for it he increased taxes on the rich. Therefore he never pulled us out of the depression. WWII forced the government to increase spending dramatically and it pulled us out of the depression. Bush learned this lesson, and applied it when he got to office in 2000.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Spanky
Yes to end a recession, you cut taxes and increase spending. Roosevelt kept trying to keep the balance in budget. He increased spending, but in order to pay for it he increased taxes on the rich. Therefore he never pulled us out of the depression. WWII forced the government to increase spending dramatically and it pulled us out of the depression. Bush learned this lesson, and applied it when he got to office in 2000.

He's still applying it, even though the economy has turned a corner. Or was that Iraq? I keep forgetting.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
You are no fun. Can't you just play along a little?

But weren't most of the clinton murders done at the Arkansas state level? Foster was at the National level, but there wasn't a conspiracy- Hillary just offed him.