Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Aristide has always seemed a bit unstable to me, as charismatic "holy man" personas often are.

S_A_M

hate the game, not the playa

[Skeks in the city]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic

The California Supreme Court appears to disagree with you, and refused to enjoin Newsom or to nullify the marriages that have been conducted

It sounds as if the Cali supreme court didn't learn anything from California's retaliation against the Rose Bird supreme court. The voters retaliated against the Bird court for its anti-death penalty / pro-criminal rights stance by sacking THREE Cali supreme court justices and many, many more lefty lower court judges. It was a major set back for lefty economic issues, all because of a pesky social issue.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Skeks in the city
It sounds as if the Cali supreme court didn't learn anything from California's retaliation against the Rose Bird supreme court. The voters retaliated against the Bird court for its anti-death penalty / pro-criminal rights stance by sacking THREE Cali supreme court justices and many, many more lefty lower court judges. It was a major set back for lefty economic issues, all because of a pesky social issue.

The Cali Supremes are the liberal equivalent to Roy Moore.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
hate the game, not the playa

Pity the playa. (What happened to the "r"?) He's totally whacko.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by bilmore
Pity the playa. (What happened to the "r"?)

Playar? There's no "r" in "playa." But why pity it? Pity me instead, 'cause its blah and overcast today and I'm not on one drinking margaritas and getting tan.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
The Cali Supremes are the liberal equivalent to Roy Moore.

Do you really live in this state? Do you know how many of the justices on the California Supreme Court were Republican appointees?

eta: BTW, three of the four judges in the majority on the Massachusetts Supreme Court's gay-marriage decision were Republican appointees.

[Aloha Mr. Learned Hand]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Be that as it may -- all that means is that Aristide -- or someone they believe to be Aristide -- called them and spun the tale. That doesn't make the tale true. Aristide has always seemed a bit unstable to me, as charismatic "holy man" personas often are.

S_A_M

He's full of shit. I think a congressman summed it up best yesterday when he said Aristide could leave on a jet or in a casket. He took the jet.

If Aristide wants to keep bitching, we can always offer to fly him back and drop him by himself on the tarmac at Port au Prince airport... Somehow I think he would decline the offer.

If this story shows one thing, it shows there are still political figures in this country who are willing to take the word of foreign governments or leaders at face value in the first instance over the word of our own...

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
He's full of shit. I think a congressman summed it up best yesterday when he said Aristide could leave on a jet or in a casket. He took the jet.

If Aristide wants to keep bitching, we can always offer to fly him back and drop him by himself on the tarmac at Port au Prince airport... Somehow I think he would decline the offer.

If this story shows one thing, it shows there are still political figures in this country who are willing to take the word of foreign governments or leaders at face value in the first instance over the word of our own...

Normally, I'd be with you on this one, but when someone as staid and centrist as Rep. Waters believes it, well, it takes on a whole new aura of truth.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
He's full of shit. I think a congressman summed it up best yesterday when he said Aristide could leave on a jet or in a casket. He took the jet.

If Aristide wants to keep bitching, we can always offer to fly him back and drop him by himself on the tarmac at Port au Prince airport... Somehow I think he would decline the offer.

If this story shows one thing, it shows there are still political figures in this country who are willing to take the word of foreign governments or leaders at face value in the first instance over the word of our own...

I actually think the press conference they held was almost treasonous - we have troops on the ground and the statements made by those congress people may have served to incite the opposition (i.e., the non-rebels).

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I actually think the press conference they held was almost treasonous - we have troops on the ground and the statements made by those congress people may have served to incite the opposition (i.e., the non-rebels).

I think the framers, in their infinite wisdom, considered "adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort" to mean something more than a press conference in opposition to the administration's "policy" vis-a-vis an "enemy."

We've got troops on the ground in Iraq; does that mean Sean Penn was almost treasonous during the Oscar broadcast? (Don't answer that.)

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I think the framers, in their infinite wisdom, considered "adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort" to mean something more than a press conference in opposition to the administration's "policy" vis-a-vis an "enemy."

We've got troops on the ground in Iraq; does that mean Sean Penn was almost treasonous during the Oscar broadcast? (Don't answer that.)

Club thinks pissing off the enemy when you've got troops in the area is treasonous. By that definition, anyone who publicly says that we shouldn't be intervening in Haiti may put our troops at risk and is committing treason.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I does that mean Sean Penn was almost treasonous during the Oscar broadcast? (Don't answer that.)

Did the Network or Academy have some way of controlling Political statements, or at least anti-Bush stuff? Sean's seemed almost snuck in.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Club thinks pissing off the enemy when you've got troops in the area is treasonous. By that definition, anyone who publicly says that we shouldn't be intervening in Haiti may put our troops at risk and is committing treason.

Honey, Your party line is that we should have intervened sooner, the only question you can't decide on is what we should have done earlier.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Honey, Your party line is that we should have intervened sooner, the only question you can't decide on is what we should have done earlier.

That's not fair. Under Kerry's new plan, we should have first quickly looked for UN agreement on the course to be followed, but, failing to secure that agreement, we should have acted quickly to move in and control the situation before things got so dangerous.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Honey, Your party line is that we should have intervened sooner, the only question you can't decide on is what we should have done earlier.

Haiti is a mess. I'd be in favor of trying something if someone had a good idea what to try.