Politics As Usual

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Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...4645-8821r.htm

[proposal to allow non-citizens to vote]

The last sentence says that this has already happened in New York, Maryland and Chicago. So for once, San Francisco is behind the curve.

(I mean, really - Maryland?)

[sgtclub]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0622/p01s01-usju.html

Haven't read the opinion, but this intuitively seems wrong to me.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0622/p01s01-usju.html

Haven't read the opinion, but this intuitively seems wrong to me.

Agree on both counts.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Drum, more broadly, was suggesting that Bush talks a lot about spreading democracy, but doesn't follow through. I'm not aware of anything that he's done outside of Iraq -- a separate subject -- to push the totalitarian regimes we support to move to democratize.

Remind me what did Clinton do to spread democracy?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
Remind me what did Clinton do to spread democracy?

According to newly-elected President Bush in January 2001, "President Clinton's Russia policy us[ed] economic aid to build democracy and market reform." Bush was criticizing this. (From CNN. Google is a wonderful thing.)

[SlaveNoMore]

Dislike Dowd?

See her get her latest op-ed shredded here.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
CNN. Google is a wonderful thing.)

Yes. from Ty's article:
AMANPOUR: China experts say Beijing may have preferred Al Gore as the new president, since it would provide continuity.

that and targeting software.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Yes. from Ty's article:
AMANPOUR: China experts say Beijing may have preferred Al Gore as the new president, since it would provide continuity.

that and targeting software.

You've got the critical reading skills necessary to survive in this business, son. Want a job?

But you're all backwards on China. They didn't like Clinton because he bombed their embassy. They decided that Bush was their bitch when they shot down one of our aircraft, and he didn't retaliate or anything.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
According to newly-elected President Bush in January 2001, "President Clinton's Russia policy us[ed] economic aid to build democracy and market reform." Bush was criticizing this. (From CNN. Google is a wonderful thing.)

Right 'cuz if Christiane Amanpour said Bush said something, then of course he said it. That wasn't even a Bush quote. That was her take on what she says he said.

But I wasn't asking about Bush anyway (or Christiane Amanpour). I was asking what Clinton did.

FYI - Reagan brought democracy to Russia.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Agree on both counts.

I'm not sure. Say they pull up to an outdoor murder scene with one person standing over the body. No witnesses, no weapons in sight. There is no way they should let you go without knowing who you are.

That said, your refusal should not serve as a sole and independent basis for a criminal conviction (which is what happened here). Rather, they should be able to bring you in and print and photograph you. They should be able to hold you until they establish your identity. In recognizance-bonds, this happens somewhat frequently (they refuse to release you until you establish your identity). However, there they have an independent charge to justify holding you. And without a charge, they can't hold you for long until now.

So I don't like the fact that they've now authorized a new charge for failure to establish identity, if that's what they've done. But they should be authorized to hold you without charge until you have reasonably identified yourself, so long as they have a reasonable basis to ask you to do so in the first place.

Come to think of it, was this guy in a motor vehicle on a state-supported highway when they nabbed him? If so, and if it was any part of the justification for being to hold him, then I agree that he could be held. Drivers shouldn't be able to avoid identifying themselves.

Just off the top of my head. And I know that holding without charge thing doesn't work here, which is why I'm a bit mixed.

Hello

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I'm not sure. Say they pull up to an outdoor murder scene with one person standing over the body. No witnesses, no weapons in sight. There is no way they should let you go without knowing who you are.

In that situation, they can hold you as a material witness, no?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
But I wasn't asking about Bush anyway (or Christiane Amanpour). I was asking what Clinton did.

Google it yourself, troll.

FYI - Reagan brought democracy to Russia.

And the Great Pumpkin brought Halloween candy to all the girls and boys on Charlie Brown's street.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
In that situation, they can hold you as a material witness, no?

Dude, I never really encountered that law until post 9/11. I'd love to know if its done anywhere at the local level myself.

As another note on the topic, the NYT is indicating that the dissent believes it violates the right not to incriminate one's self.

However, the closest I can come to that is if you are already wanted. The police run a field name check and get a warrant hit. You've done nothing to incriminate yourself in the underlying crime. You've only made yourself available to answer the standing allegations. Anyone have a scenario where this is self-incriminating?

My guess is that there is a scenario where it might be, but none is coming to mind at the moment.

Hello

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Google it yourself

The answer is that Clinton didn't do much if anything to promote democracy in the world.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
And the Great Pumpkin brought Halloween candy to all the girls and boys on Charlie Brown's street.

You Dems are so bitter about Reagan's legacy.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You've got the critical reading skills necessary to survive in this business, son. Want a job?

But you're all backwards on China. They didn't like Clinton because he bombed their embassy. They decided that Bush was their bitch when they shot down one of our aircraft, and he didn't retaliate or anything.

Do I want a job? boot that! your ability to misremember means you could be in pictures! michael more is from michigan. Next block party I'm going to tell him all about you.