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04-23-2004, 05:08 PM
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#2671
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I didn't do it.
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by sgtclub
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I don't say this because it is about Kerry, but out of general curiosity. Does it really surprise you that people change opinions on things in 30 years? Do you think that is a bad thing?
I could see something a year ago, with no explanation for the change, but 1975? You think that is a flip flop?
I would be concerned if anyone didn't have inconsistencies in the things they said over such a spread of time.
I have no doubt I said things 15 years ago that would make me shake my head in disgust at myself now. |
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04-23-2004, 05:17 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by leagleaze
I could see something a year ago, with no explanation for the change, but 1975? You think that is a flip flop?
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It would not be better for democracy if every politician were locked into the position he or she initially took on an issue, however long ago. |
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04-23-2004, 05:17 PM
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Serenity Now
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Survivor Island
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by leagleaze
I don't say this because it is about Kerry, but out of general curiosity. Does it really surprise you that people change opinions on things in 30 years? Do you think that is a bad thing?
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No in general, if it's principled. I just think Kerry (and other pols) make decisions based purely on political grounds, so when they do they should be called on it and asked what has changed since 72 or 75 that made you change your mind. Ask Bush that question, and the answer is easy - 9/11. Ask Kerry and it's also easy - he's pandering. |
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04-23-2004, 05:19 PM
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Proud Holder-Post 200,000
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
Kerry statements from the 70's are meaningless, other than to put his "military record" in perspective.
his flip flops over the past few years on matters of responding to threats are very important, and the public recognizes this. November is over- try and get some senate seats, okay? |
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04-23-2004, 05:20 PM
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#2675
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by sgtclub
what has changed since 72
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Well, Roe v. Wade for one thing. |
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04-23-2004, 05:21 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Well, Roe v. Wade for one thing.
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That is sooooo not relevant to any discussion of abortion. What the hell are you thinking???
LOL. But I'm still crossing the street to get away from you -- that hamburger flipper you are wielding is a scary weapon. |
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04-23-2004, 05:26 PM
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Hello, Dum-Dum.
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Teddy K's pidgeons come home to Roost
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04-23-2004, 05:27 PM
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World Ruler
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by sgtclub
No in general, if it's principled. I just think Kerry (and other pols) make decisions based purely on political grounds, so when they do they should be called on it and asked what has changed since 72 or 75 that made you change your mind. Ask Bush that question, and the answer is easy - 9/11. Ask Kerry and it's also easy - he's pandering.
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Funny. Bush's stance on tax cuts seems the same whether it's pre-9/11 or post-9/11. Pre-deficit or post-deficit. Sometimes I wish he wasn't so principled.
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04-23-2004, 05:29 PM
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Serenity Now
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Well, Roe v. Wade for one thing.
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So whether or not he is opposed to abortion depends on what the S.Ct. says? |
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04-23-2004, 05:31 PM
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World Ruler
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by sgtclub
So whether or not he is opposed to abortion depends on what the S.Ct. says?
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Opposed to abortion and pro-choice are not incompatible. Nobody's running on a "More Abortions" platform.
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"More than two decades later, it is hard to imagine the Revolutionary War coming out any other way."
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04-23-2004, 05:36 PM
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Moderator
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by sgtclub
So whether or not he is opposed to abortion depends on what the S.Ct. says?
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Well, it did shift the terms of debate somewhat. Even the GOP now believes that regulation of abortion is a federal issue. |
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04-23-2004, 05:45 PM
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Serenity Now
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Well, it did shift the terms of debate somewhat. Even the GOP now believes that regulation of abortion is a federal issue.
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It does? I'm not all that current on the issue, but this is news to me. |
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04-23-2004, 05:48 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Well, it did shift the terms of debate somewhat. Even the GOP now believes that regulation of abortion is a federal issue.
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You're just baiting Atticus and bilmore, right?
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04-23-2004, 05:48 PM
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Serenity Now
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Opposed to abortion and pro-choice are not incompatible. Nobody's running on a "More Abortions" platform.
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fair enough - though in Kerry's case I see this along the same lines as "I voted for the war, but am really against it." |
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04-23-2004, 05:51 PM
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World Ruler
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Another Kerry Flip Flop
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Originally posted by sgtclub
fair enough - though in Kerry's case I see this along the same lines as "I voted for the war, but am really against it."
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Didn't we already cover self-selection bias in the NYT editorial?
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