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[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
dissent. you know nfh and I are seeing each other, right? fit that in your theory.

Huh. Which one of you is Gump, and how are you so sure?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Have all Woman with half a brain heard that story too?

Anything is possible of course. I find it interesting that you are now arguing that life imitates movie plots, but go with it if it works for you.

I have never heard any Woman say that she initially disliked or was ambivalent towards her now heartthrob, but I might not get around the way you do. For me and all of my friends, it is pretty much yes or no within 15 minutes of meeting someone. As mentioned before, by bad behavior or personality, a yes may become a no, but I've never seen the reverse occur.

You want to be with Woman who might "play hard to get"? You a Rules guy?

The line from the song "is she really going out with him? Is she really going to take him home tonight?" rings true to many guys. In my experience very attractive women often don't date attractive men (or wealthy men). Sometimes very ugly men, and very poor men. Shannon Elizabeth is the first one that comes to mind. I used to represent a lingerae model, and she was one of the most attractive women I have ever seen, that married one of the ugliest men I have ever met (and poor). I wanted to hate him but he was also one of the nicest guys I have ever met. I am pretty sure all these women did not like these men in the first fifteen minutes they met them.

And for my friends of mine that are women and my female relatives I have seen them change their mind in both directions on men long after the first fifteen minutes of their meeting. Less and I went to Law School with a guy that, as we were told by all the women, was one of the best looking men they had ever seen. But he was unbelievably boring so he got almost no play. It was kind of a running joke. He was a nice guy, had money and was in law school. but no action.

So NCS either you and I live on separate planets or you really don't get out much.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Spanky
The line from the song "is she really going out with him? Is she really going to take him home tonight?" rings true to many guys. In my experience very attractive women often don't date attractive men (or wealthy men). Sometimes very ugly men, and very poor men. Shannon Elizabeth is the first one that comes to mind. I used to represent a lingerae model, and she was one of the most attractive women I have ever seen, that married one of the ugliest men I have ever met (and poor). I wanted to hate him but he was also one of the nicest guys I have ever met. I am pretty sure all these women did not like these men in the first fifteen minutes they met them.

This is a completely different issue than the one I thought we were discussing. Oh, I see your last line there is supposed to make this a related thing? I'm not so sure. Beauty, eye of the beholder, yadda...

And for my friends of mine that are women and my female relatives I have seen them change their mind in both directions on men long after the first fifteen minutes of their meeting. Less and I went to Law School with a guy that, as we were told by all the women, was one of the best looking men they had ever seen. But he was unbelievably boring so he got almost no play. It was kind of a running joke. He was a nice guy, had money and was in law school. but now action.

I totally addressed that with my "after the first 15 mins a yes might change to a no based on bad behavior or personality" part. Do you read what I write?

So NCS either you and I live on separate planets or you really don't get out much.

Um. Okay. I'm not sure why you always assume it is the other person who gets out (or knows) little, but whatev.

[Diane_Keaton]

Where the fuck is the fucking hanging indent????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Spanky]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
This is a completely different issue than the one I thought we were discussing.

I thought the general idea was that a woman makes up her mind about a man in the first fifteen minutes she meets him. That section was focused on how from my experience that is wrong.

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I totally addressed that with my "after the first 15 mins a yes might change to a no based on bad behavior or personality" part. Do you read what I write?

You only addressed it one way. I said both ways. Let me be clearer. I have had many female friends and female relatives meet men who at first they did not like and then over time they changed their minds. It has happened more times than I can count. But for some reason many of the women on this board thinks that it rarely happens or barely happens. I have also had relationships with many women that said that when the first met me they were not "in" to me. Where they lying to me?

Originally posted by notcasesensitive Um. Okay. I'm not sure why you always assume it is the other person who gets out (or knows) little, but whatev.

I don't know if getting out a lot is a good thing or a bad thing. But there was a time of my life when I went out a great deal and my experience has been the complete opposite of yours. For most of my adult life me and most of my male friends get rebuffed by the women we pursue at least a few times before we go out with them. Hell, my best friend from college, his current wife refused to date him for an entire year before he finally got her to go out with him.

Like I said. It is like we live on two different planets.

In the Dead Poets Society Robin Williams said that the most important reason to learn poetry is to woo women. But how can there be any wooing if they decide with in the first fifteen minutes if they like you?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
In the Dead Poets Society Robin Williams said that the most important reason to learn poetry is to wo women. But how can there be any wooing if they decide with in the first fifteen minutes if they like you?

Again with the movie thing. I think the wooing with poetry was more important back when you weren't allowed to spend any time with the opposite sex and courtship was conducted by letter and shit.

Any guy who does anything poetry-y to me is moved to "no" pretty much instantaneously. It's creepy and contrived.

However, to me, wooing occurs on the move from "hey, we like each other!" to something more relationshippy -- like, "let's spend the rest of our lives together -- wouldn't I make a great mate?" or "I would like you to stop dating/fucking other people." And that's after the liking part is established.

Like, I basically on some level like the people who populate the noirish aspect of my life, but I would need to be wooed into dating them, or giving all but one of them up. Not that any of them are asking for that, never fear.

Originally posted by Spanky
I thought the general idea was that a women makes up her mind about a man in the first fifteen minutes she meets him. That section was focused how from my experience that is wrong.



You only addressed it one way. I said both ways. Let me be more clear. I have had many female friends and female relatives meet men who at first they did not like and then over time they changed their minds. It has happened more times than I can count. But for some reason many of the women on this board thinks that it rarelyhappens or barely happens. I have also had relationships with many women that said that when the first met me they were not "in" to me. Where they lying to me?




I don't know if getting out a lot is a good thing or a bad thing. But there was a time of my life when I went out a great deal and my experience has been the complete opposite of yours. For most of my adult life me and most of my male friends get rebuffed by the women we pursue at least a few times before we go out with them. Hell, my best friend from college, his current wife refused to date him for an entire year before he finally got her to go out with him.

Like I said. It is like we live on two different planets.

In the Dead Poets Society Robin Williams said that the most important reason to learn poetry is to wo women. But how can there be any wooing if they decide with in the first fifteen minutes if they like you?

2, except that I cannot believe you cited to a Robin Williams dramedy.

SO DID YOU CALL HER YET?

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Any guy who does anything poetry-y to me is moved to "no" pretty much instantaneously. It's creepy and contrived.

It is also derivative. Woman hate that.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Spanky
I thought the general idea was that a women makes up her mind about a man in the first fifteen minutes she meets him. That section was focused how from my experience that is wrong.



You only addressed it one way. I said both ways. Let me be more clear. I have had many female friends and female relatives meet men who at first they did not like and then over time they changed their minds. It has happened more times than I can count. But for some reason many of the women on this board thinks that it rarelyhappens or barely happens. I have also had relationships with many women that said that when the first met me they were not "in" to me. Where they lying to me?




I don't know if getting out a lot is a good thing or a bad thing. But there was a time of my life when I went out a great deal and my experience has been the complete opposite of yours. For most of my adult life me and most of my male friends get rebuffed by the women we pursue at least a few times before we go out with them. Hell, my best friend from college, his current wife refused to date him for an entire year before he finally got her to go out with him.

Like I said. It is like we live on two different planets.

In the Dead Poets Society Robin Williams said that the most important reason to learn poetry is to wo women. But how can there be any wooing if they decide with in the first fifteen minutes if they like you?

Maybe we are discussing different things. I am talking pure physical attraction. You are saying this might change after first impressions for the better. I will give you the possibility that a person's personality could increase physical attraction to some degree, but some of it is also non-personality based. As to the women I know - mainly intellegent, well-socialized women in their 30s who have dated a good deal over the course of their adult lives - there is some spark factor that is either there or not. I guess you might be discussing something else, but what I am saying is that many women can tell very quickly whether they are interested in someone or not.

You want to play some numbers game and work on wooing someone who is not initially into you? Knock yourself out. I'm sure that it works in some percentage of cases, but it isn't that high of a percentage (again, based on the experiences of me and my friends - I speak not for the 20-something crowd). I will admit that I have even, on occasion, dated people who didn't do it for me (and when I was very young, married one, but that is a whole other story). When I do that now, I let them know early and often that this will not be a long-term thing and that I'm dating other people. Some people stick around for that, and some even think they'll change my mind. I know for a fact that they won't.

I think the reason you come across women here who think your numbers game is flawed is because we've been around a bit and grown up enough to know what it is that we want. I completely agree that if you are talking to college and post-college women, the answer might change, but I wonder if that is really a good thing for you? You want to be with a woman who talked herself into liking you? That's a total turn-off to me, but thankfully my planet contains a great guy who I was crazy about from the first day I met him and that I'm still crazy about today. My planet rocks.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Beauty, eye of the beholder, yadda...

Some people are just plain ugly. By anyones standard. My friend that is married to the fashion model is just plain ugly. It just looks like a mutant. He knew her for years. She went out with a bunch of jerks (mainly male models) before him and he was always there for her. I think he was twenty seven when they got together and he was still a virgin. One day they hooked up and they got married. They have been married for fifteen years now. Some people might think that she settled for him. But she acts like she is really into him and brags about the great sex.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Where the fuck is the fucking hanging indent????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

You mean for like a document - or like for here?
Because for the first, it's format. paragraph. indent.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
but I wonder if that is really a good thing for you? You want to be with a woman who talked herself into liking you?

My experience with relationships has been that those that are easy to get ain't worth having.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Spanky
My experience with relationships has been that those that are easy to get ain't worth having.

In my experience, people who show up at workplaces unannounced after a phone call is not returned are considered automatically creepy and potentially stalkerish. And they are typically mocked and/or feared by the co-workers of the showed-up-upon person, depending upon the personality type of the shower-upper.

Different planets indeed.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
In my experience, people who show up at workplaces unannounced after a phone call is not returned are considered automatically creepy and potentially stalkerish. And they are typically mocked and/or feared by the co-workers of the showed-up-upon person, depending upon the personality type of the shower-upper.

Different planets indeed.

In my experience, people who show up at workplaces unannounced with the offer of free sex for the workers are lauded and showered with praise and acceptance.

Originally posted by Spanky
My experience with relationships has been that those that are easy to get ain't worth having.

I would never join a club that woud have me for a member.

DID YOU CALL HER YET?