Missing the Paigow (et al.) [sniff]

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
'Cuz someone else who was there will tell this story if I don't:

The scene: Two days after Christmas, in a French bistro in the Rice University Village. Close to the end of a nice lunch.

The actors: Most of my immediate family and balt.

The discussion: My sister's natural hair color, which hasn't been seen since circa 1999. It's currently jet-black, though it's had stints with red streaks.

Dad: So dark brown like RT's or darker, like [RT's brother's]?

Sister: I don't know. Probably [RT's brother's]. Look at the roots, I'm sure there are some there?

Dad: Hmmm. I can't tell. It's dark, but not black. Why black?

Sister: I don't know. It's been a long time.

A waiter leans over to grab the signed credit card receipt.

Dad: Well, what color are your pubes?

A waiter quickly retreats.

RT: That poor, poor waiter. I hope you tipped him well.

The poor waiter had to come back to ask for another signature, since the original didn't go through. He wouldn't look at any of us in the face.

And damnit, I liked that restaurant. What's an approrpiate time to wait for waitstaff turnover?

Sister: Pubes?

[Replaced_Texan]

Because they can't even manage to lose a game properly, the Texans barely lost the Reggie Bush Bowl in San Francisco on Sunday in overtime. It was a nail biter, especially for those of us who had to keep track of the score on the internet. Why, Fox, why did you switch over to the already over Washington/Eagles game, when you had an overtime game in the race for last place going on? *ahem*

Anyhow, my question is this: Do you all think that winning the Heisman trophy is an indicator of greatness in the NFL? I have helpfully attached (of course the table formatting is fucked up) a list of the Heisman trophy winners since 1980.

It seems to me that past performance is not an indicator of future success for quarterbacks, but the receivers and backs are solidly good. With a few exceptions both ways.

(Bonus question: Woodson still a better pick than Manning?)

So should we hold on to our hard-earned draft choice (assuming he decides to go to the NFL this year instead of running back to USC now that he knows he's likely to end up in Houston), or are we better off shopping the pick around?

Year Name School Position Class Points
1980 George Rogers South Carolina RB Sr. 1,128
1981 Marcus Allen USC RB Sr. 1,797
1982 Herschel Walker Georgia RB Jr. 1,926
1983 Mike Rozier Nebraska RB Sr. 1,801
1984 Doug Flutie Boston College QB Sr. 2,240
1985 Bo Jackson Auburn RB Sr. 1,509
1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami (Fla) QB Sr. 2,213
1987 Tim Brown Notre Dame WR Sr. 1,442
1988 Barry Sanders Oklahoma State RB Jr. 1,878
1989 Andre Ware Houston QB Jr. 1,073
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB Jr. 1,482
1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR Jr. 2,077
1992 Gino Torretta Miami (Fla) QB Sr. 1,400
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB Sr. 2,310
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado RB Jr. 1,743
1995 Eddie George Ohio State RB Sr. 1,460
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB Sr. 1,363
1997 Charles Woodson Michigan CB Jr. 1,815
1998 Ricky Williams Texas RB Sr. 2,355
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin RB Sr. 2,042
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State QB Sr. 1,628
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska QB Sr. 770
2002 Carson Palmer USC QB Sr. 1,328
2003 Jason White Oklahoma QB Jr. 1,481
2004 Matt Leinart USC QB Jr. 1,325

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Sister: Pubes?

They also haven't been seen since circa 1999.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Because they can't even manage to lose a game properly, the Texans barely lost the Reggie Bush Bowl in San Francisco on Sunday in overtime. It was a nail biter, especially for those of us who had to keep track of the score on the internet. Why, Fox, why did you switch over to the already over Washington/Eagles game, when you had an overtime game in the race for last place going on? *ahem*

Anyhow, my question is this: Do you all think that winning the Heisman trophy is an indicator of greatness in the NFL? I have helpfully attached (of course the table formatting is fucked up) a list of the Heisman trophy winners since 1980.

It seems to me that past performance is not an indicator of future success for quarterbacks, but the running backs are solidly good. With a few exceptions.

So should we hold on to our hard-earned draft choice (assuming he decides to go to the NFL this year instead of running back to USC now that he knows he's likely to end up in Houston), or are we better off shopping the pick around?

Year Name School Position Class Points
1980 George Rogers South Carolina RB Sr. 1,128
1981 Marcus Allen USC RB Sr. 1,797
1982 Herschel Walker Georgia RB Jr. 1,926
1983 Mike Rozier Nebraska RB Sr. 1,801
1984 Doug Flutie Boston College QB Sr. 2,240
1985 Bo Jackson Auburn RB Sr. 1,509
1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami (Fla) QB Sr. 2,213
1987 Tim Brown Notre Dame WR Sr. 1,442
1988 Barry Sanders Oklahoma State RB Jr. 1,878
1989 Andre Ware Houston QB Jr. 1,073
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB Jr. 1,482
1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR Jr. 2,077
1992 Gino Torretta Miami (Fla) QB Sr. 1,400
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB Sr. 2,310
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado RB Jr. 1,743
1995 Eddie George Ohio State RB Sr. 1,460
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB Sr. 1,363
1997 Charles Woodson Michigan CB Jr. 1,815
1998 Ricky Williams Texas RB Sr. 2,355
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin RB Sr. 2,042
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State QB Sr. 1,628
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska QB Sr. 770
2002 Carson Palmer USC QB Sr. 1,328
2003 Jason White Oklahoma QB Jr. 1,481
2004 Matt Leinart USC QB Jr. 1,325

Don't get me started on Ron Dayne. Let's just say that the Wisconsin fan in my household really played up his talents prior to his arrival post-draft-day in NY.

Thunder and Lightning indeed.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
You should get DK as a client. She might go for something other than your hair.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
If you give me 7, I'll take UT for $50 to the board.

Bwaaaack-a-bwack-a-bwack. I bet you don't even make all those bets you claim to make. You probably don't really have a desk, either.

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Because they can't even manage to lose a game properly, the Texans barely lost the Reggie Bush Bowl in San Francisco on Sunday in overtime. It was a nail biter, especially for those of us who had to keep track of the score on the internet. Why, Fox, why did you switch over to the already over Washington/Eagles game, when you had an overtime game in the race for last place going on? *ahem*

Anyhow, my question is this: Do you all think that winning the Heisman trophy is an indicator of greatness in the NFL? I have helpfully attached (of course the table formatting is fucked up) a list of the Heisman trophy winners since 1980.

It seems to me that past performance is not an indicator of future success for quarterbacks, but the running backs are solidly good. With a few exceptions.

So should we hold on to our hard-earned draft choice (assuming he decides to go to the NFL this year instead of running back to USC now that he knows he's likely to end up in Houston), or are we better off shopping the pick around?

Most years, I'd say trade down, get some line help, etc. But not this year. Bush is something else; you don't want to be the team that passes on him. Coming from the city that passed on MJ, believe me, you don't want to be that team.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
And damnit, I liked that restaurant. What's an approrpiate time to wait for waitstaff turnover?

Less than a week for that waiter, who is a total pussy. Your Dad sounds funny as hell. How's his ratio? He's not so old that he wears Brylcream or anything, right?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Less than a week for that waiter, who is a total pussy. Your Dad sounds funny as hell. How's his ratio? He's not so old that he wears Brylcream or anything, right?

Yeah, RT. Spill it. How big is your dad's cock?

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan


1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB Jr. 1,482

This cannot possibly be correct.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Why, Fox, why did you switch over to the already over Washington/Eagles game, when you had an overtime game in the race for last place going on? *ahem*


It seems to me that past performance is not an indicator of future success for quarterbacks,

1) CBS had the rights to the game, since the Texans are AFC, and on the road. So Fox couldn't switch.

2) Other than Testaverde and Flutie (jury's still out on Palmer) is seems like a Heisman QB is destined to fail, which isn't totally surprising given that QBs in college often punish mediocre teams and are rewarded for gaudy statistics, rather than tough victories.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Bwaaaack-a-bwack-a-bwack. I bet you don't even make all those bets you claim to make. You probably don't really have a desk, either.

Damn. It's been 25 minutes. For all you know, Penske's sitting in Str8's office looking through the file, about to extole Str8 for all his great work.

And I'm not sure you, of all people, should be questioning the state of other's furniture.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Coming from the city that passed on MJ, believe me, you don't want to be that team.

Hey, RT's from such a city too.

Although the Dream panned out a bit better.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by baltassoc
Damn. It's been 25 minutes. For all you know, Penske's sitting in Str8's office looking through the file, about to extole Str8 for all his great work.

And I'm not sure you, of all people, should be questioning the state of other's furniture.

My office furniture isn't bad at all.

[Bucco Bruce]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
1985 Bo Jackson Auburn RB Sr. 1,509
1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami (Fla) QB Sr. 2,213