All Hank, all the time.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
"Viable?" In this context, that's someone who can get confirmed by Congress. (The Senate? I don't remember the West Wing episode well enough.) If Cheney picked McCain or Giuliani, I suspect they'd get confirmed, but I don't know why he would pick them. You'd think he would want to pick someone like himself, but younger. I don't think he's particularly close to DeLay. Or Jeb Bush, for that matter.

I really don't know who he'd pick. Is he close to anyone in the House or the Senate?

I think he is close to Condi.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Poor Lieberman -- always the victim.

BTW, one of those lefty blogs posts an e-mail from the host for Lieberman's campaign blog confirming that the campaign paid their bills on time and that the site was taken down by a denial-of-service attack.

If Joe were a Republican, he could whine for weeks and months that this dirty trick cost him the race. Let's hope even he is not that whiny.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
BTW, one of those lefty blogs posts an e-mail from the host for Lieberman's campaign blog confirming that the campaign paid their bills on time and that the site was taken down by a denial-of-service attack.

If Joe were a Republican, he could whine for weeks and months that this dirty trick cost him the race. Let's hope even he is not that whiny.

If a Republican, such Spanky or Club or Slave OR hANK or me, had come on this board and spread malicious lies with reckless disregard for the truth about Joe and or his campaign, which lies were then shown to be false by Little Green Footballs, for example, I know any of us would appropriately apologize. Let's hope any Dems that spread lies in the same manner do the same. HINT HINT.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
So stipulated.



Poor Lieberman -- always the victim. Like in his vice-presidential debate with Dick Cheney. But I digress. You racist, pedophile conservatives have gone too far.



If I hate Israel -- and I don't, but anyhoo -- at least I hate a foreign country. Stop hating America, traitor. Go back to molesting small children or race-baiting disabled veterans, or whatever sick, twisted pastimes you had before the invention of the interwebs.

Hmmm, such vitriol from a man whose party has a conscience such as this:

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
If a Republican, such Spanky or Club or Slave OR hANK or me, had come on this board and spread malicious lies with reckless disregard for the truth about Joe and or his campaign, which lies were then shown to be false by Little Green Footballs, for example, I know any of us would appropriately apologize. Let's hope any Dems that spread lies in the same manner do the same. HINT HINT.

Every time I get to the part about proving something with Little Green Footballs, I start convulsing -- sorry, but I just can't get through this post. The question is, why do you hate America? Why do you insist on spreading malicious lies? Can't we all just get along?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Every time I get to the part about proving something with Little Green Footballs, I start convulsing -- sorry, but I just can't get through this post. The question is, why do you hate America? Why do you insist on spreading malicious lies? Can't we all just get along?

Admit you were wrong and apologise! This is so clintonian of you! Ironically in a coincidental way, he was in favor of giving Israel to the terrorists too.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Hmmm, such vitriol from a man whose party has a conscience such as this:

According to your favorite reference work, Wikipedia, Sen. Byrd was a member of the KKK for a year or so in the 1940s, when he was in his 20s. So why are you posting photo-shopped pictures of a much older Senator Byrd in a KKK uniform? Why the hate? Why the malicious lies and the reckless disregard for the truth? Why do you hate America so much?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Admit you were wrong and apologise! This is so clintonian of you! Ironically in a coincidental way, he was in favor of giving Israel to the terrorists too.

Unlike you, I posted actual evidence (God I hope Spanky either isn't reading this or is rusty on his hearsay) here indicating that Lieberman's ISP says he was the victim of a denial of service attack. I apologize for not dumbing down that post so that simple-minded cretins like yourself would understand that it contains facts not available on the interwebs at the time of the earlier post.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Why is Lieberman's campaign sliming Ned Lamont? A sign of Penske-style desperation?

• Apparently the Lieberman campaign is pushing a story that we have coordinated an attack against their website. Not a chance. Here’s the unqualified statement Sean Smith has called for.
  
  If Senator Lieberman’s website was indeed hacked, we had absolutely no part in it, denounce the action, and urge whoever is responsible cease and desist immediately. It is our sincerest wish that everyone planning to vote for Ned Lamont or Joe Lieberman does so today.
  
  Tim Tagaris
  Internet Communications Director
  Ned Lamont for U.S. Senate

Stop the lies! Vote for Ned Lamont, for the children.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Unlike you, I posted actual evidence (God I hope Spanky either isn't reading this or is rusty on his hearsay) here indicating that Lieberman's ISP says he was the victim of a denial of service attack. I apologize for not dumbing down that post so that simple-minded cretins like yourself would understand that it contains facts not available on the interwebs at the time of the earlier post.

Did you check Wikipedia?

And please don't refer to Penske in the plural ("cretins"). It only encourages his socking, and I for one have had enough of PPNYC.

[Spanky]

CAMPAIGN 2006

Liberal McCarthyism
Bigotry and hate aren't just for right-wingers anymore.

BY LANNY J. DAVIS
Tuesday, August 8, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

WASHINGTON--My brief and unhappy experience with the hate and vitriol of bloggers on the liberal side of the aisle comes from the last several months I spent campaigning for a longtime friend, Joe Lieberman.

This kind of scary hatred, my dad used to tell me, comes only from the right wing--in his day from people such as the late Sen. Joseph McCarthy, with his tirades against "communists and their fellow travelers." The word "McCarthyism" became a red flag for liberals, signifying the far right's fascistic tactics of labeling anyone a "communist" or "socialist" who favored an active federal government to help the middle class and the poor, and to level the playing field.

I came to believe that we liberals couldn't possibly be so intolerant and hateful, because our ideology was famous for ACLU-type commitments to free speech, dissent and, especially, tolerance for those who differed with us. And in recent years--with the deadly combination of sanctimony and vitriol displayed by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Michael Savage--I held on to the view that the left was inherently more tolerant and less hateful than the right.





Now, in the closing days of the Lieberman primary campaign, I have reluctantly concluded that I was wrong. The far right does not have a monopoly on bigotry and hatred and sanctimony. Here are just a few examples (there are many, many more anyone with a search engine can find) of the type of thing the liberal blog sites have been posting about Joe Lieberman:
• "Ned Lamont and his supporters need to [g]et real busy. Ned needs to beat Lieberman to a pulp in the debate and define what it means to be an AMerican who is NOT beholden to the Israeli Lobby" (by "rim," posted on Huffington Post, July 6, 2006).

• "Joe's on the Senate floor now and he's growing a beard. He has about a weeks growth on his face. . . . I hope he dyes his beard Blood red. It would be so appropriate" (by "ctkeith," posted on Daily Kos, July 11 and 12, 2005).

• On "Lieberman vs. Murtha": "as everybody knows, jews ONLY care about the welfare of other jews; thanks ever so much for reminding everyone of this most salient fact, so that we might better ignore all that jewish propaganda [by Lieberman] about participating in the civil rights movement of the 60s and so on" (by "tomjones," posted on Daily Kos, Dec. 7, 2005).

• "Good men, Daniel Webster and Faust would attest, sell their souls to the Devil. Is selling your soul to a god any worse? Leiberman cannot escape the religious bond he represents. Hell, his wife's name is Haggadah or Muffeletta or Diaspora or something you eat at Passover" (by "gerrylong," posted on the Huffington Post, July 8, 2006).

• "Joe Lieberman is a racist and a religious bigot" (by "greenskeeper," posted on Daily Kos, Dec. 7, 2005).

And these are some of the nicer examples.

One Sunday morning on C-Span I debated Nation editor Katrina vanden Heuvel on the Lieberman versus Lamont race. Afterwards I received a series of emails--many of them in ALL CAPS (which often suggests the hyper-frenetic state of these extremist haters)--that were of the same stripe as the blog posts, and filled with the same level of personal hate.

But the issue is not just emotional outbursts by these usually anonymous bloggers. A friend of mine just returned from Connecticut, where he had spoken on several occasions on behalf of Joe Lieberman. He happens to be a liberal antiwar Democrat, just as I am. He is also a lawyer. He told me that within a day of a Lamont event--where he asked the candidate some critical questions--some of his clients were blitzed with emails attacking him and threatening boycotts of their products if they did not drop him as their attorney. He has actually decided not to return to Connecticut for the primary today; he is fearful for his physical safety.





I do not blame Joe Lieberman's political difficulties on the liberal blogosphere. Most Connecticut Democrats voting for Mr. Lamont are genuinely outraged at President Bush for his Iraq War policies. They are entitled to express that outrage by voting for him and against Sen. Lieberman on that basis alone, although Sen. Lieberman's record as a progressive Democrat and his opposition to President Bush not only on most domestic issues but also on the conduct of the war cannot be disputed--despite egregiously distortive ads paid for by Mr. Lamont with $4 million of his own money.
Moreover, the support he gets from these haters should not be attributed to Mr. Lamont--nor should he be blamed for their extremism, bigotry and intolerance. But he ought to denounce them. He hasn't as yet.

Mr. Lamont and all other liberal Democrats should remember the McCarthy era and not fall into the trap of the hypocrisy of the double standard--that it's not OK when Ann Coulter dispenses her venomous hatred, but it is OK when our side's versions of Ann Coulter do.

Mr. Davis, former special counsel to President Clinton between 1996-98, is the author of "Scandal: How 'Gotcha' Politics Is Destroying America," forthcoming from Palgrave.

[Spanky]

Will these right wing idiots never learn...

Gov. Mel Gibson? Uh, it sounded good ...

It was only eight months ago that some conservatives believed actor Mel Gibson would make a better Republican gubernatorial candidate than Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Back then, Schwarzenegger was coming off a divisive special election. Tanking in the polls, the Republican governor hired former Gray Davis aide Susan Kennedy, a Democrat, as chief of staff.

That prompted the conservative California Republican Assembly to promote Gibson for governor. CRA President Mike Spence said at the time, "The governor's the one who jumped ship, so we're just trying to find a different captain."

How things have changed. Schwarzenegger has since taken an eight-point lead over Democratic challenger Phil Angelides in the latest Field Poll.

Meanwhile, Gibson last month allegedly made anti-Semitic remarks as part of a tirade after being pulled over for driving under the influence of alcohol. He has since apologized twice and signed up for an outpatient program.

"It was a good idea back in December," Spence said Wednesday of his Gibson-for-governor push.

But Spence still remains unhappy with Schwarzenegger, especially after the governor said recently that his 1994 vote for the anti-illegal immigrant Proposition 187 was "the wrong decision."

By Kevin Yamamura -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:01 am PDT Monday, August 7, 2006
Story appeared on Page A3 of The Sacramento Bee

Dear Republican State Central Committee Member.

The web site Draft Mel Gibson http://www.draftmelgibson.com is still up and running and its a project of the “ Supreme Council for Christian Revolution in California. ” If you go to the at web site and click on “ Supreme Council for Christian Revolution in California ” you are taken directly to the web site of the California Republican Assembly (CRA)
http://www.californiarepublicanassembly.com which is the organization sponsoring this “council” organization.

DO NOT let the CRA cast your vote at the Summer California State Republican Convention in Los Angeles (August 18 – 20).

DO NOT let the CRA and its allies embarrass the California Republican Party.

DO NOT give your Proxy to a CRA member. Give your proxy to the CCR by going here and filling out the form: http://www.cagop.org/include/Summer2006_Proxy_Form.pdf

and mailing it to Carl Burton, 760 Estate Drive, Sacramento, CA 95864

We need to come out of our Convention united behind all of our candidates and ready to work to elect the Republican team this November.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Penske_Account


(a) Red China uses the web and limits access to it in nefarious ways, but (b) technically, I meant figuratively, as in using illegal, immoral or other dirty tricks to subvert the will of the people.

Which the right has totally NEVER done. They didn't have to, of course, they had poll taxes and "literacy tests."

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
[T]he support he gets from these haters should not be attributed to Mr. Lamont--nor should he be blamed for their extremism, bigotry and intolerance. But he ought to denounce them. He hasn't as yet.

"Mr. Lamont hasn't been beating his wife. But he should denounce wife-beating. He hasn't as yet."

[Adder]

Originally posted by Spanky
CAMPAIGN 2006

Liberal McCarthyism
Bigotry and hate aren't just for right-wingers anymore.

I'm sorry, but what evidence is there that these hateful commenters are liberals?