A Forum for Grinches and Ho-Ho-Hoes - Page 185

Hank Chinaski · 02-10-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
So it likes like the Adminstration has given the EU a lot of leeway in negotiations with Iran. Will they be successful, or is the WH letting them hang?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ar_agency_iran

Letting them hang themselves, but also trying to fix what it can.

Hank Chinaski · 02-10-2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I"The trouble with middle America is that it's full of middle Americans."

Right- the Reps played on fear- "Bush lied- people died"- Farenheit 9/11 was the highest grossing doc. ever- but you guys are smart!

that you guys think that, is why your party will have less than 40 Senators by 2009- that attitude plus Howard Dean. Maybe you can get Pelosi more involved. I think she understands people.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 02-10-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
You have got to be kidding me.

We're dealing with a President who can't think of any mistakes he's ever made. The North Koreans just announced they have the bomb.

I asked if the Rs take ANY responsibility, not all the responsibility.

It sounds like the answer is no, they take no responsibility.

Hank Chinaski · 02-10-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
We're dealing with a President who can't think of any mistakes he's ever made.

do you really think that means anything. you realize the question was an unfair attempt for a political hatchet job, don't you? He is leading the country, he's supposed to go around apologizing every few months. I cannot remember a similar question being asked of any sitting president.

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 02-10-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Right- the Reps played on fear- "Bush lied- people died"- Farenheit 9/11 was the highest grossing doc. ever- but you guys are smart!

that you guys think that, is why your party will have less than 40 Senators by 2009- that attitude plus Howard Dean. Maybe you can get Pelosi more involved. I think she understands people.

A. Not my party; I basically voted against conservative social values - or better yet, having those values forced down my throat. Crazy evangelical Christians scare the shit out of me. I don't like unnecessary wars. I've said it before, had I been able to vote for a true Republican, I probably would have. Your party is trying to force its social values on the entire country, and that should scare you. I don't vote for anyone who thinks that his country has god's blessing. I wouldn't vote for my mom if she believed that.

B. Never saw F 9/11, but I don't think it was produced by the DNC.

I agree that if the democrats stick with Dean, Hillary and Pelosi, they are royally screwed.

sgtclub · 02-10-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
We're dealing with a President who can't think of any mistakes he's ever made. The North Koreans just announced they have the bomb.

I asked if the Rs take ANY responsibility, not all the responsibility.

It sounds like the answer is no, they take no responsibility.

I don't think there is any responsibility to claim. Short of going to war (which you would have opposed), what were they to do? And if you say "bilateral talks" I'm going to put you on ignore for a week.

We all knew that this was a forgone conclusion once it was determined that Clinton's horsetrading didn't work like we thought. I'm not really interested in blaming Clinton for this today, though I did disagree with the policy at the time.

sgtclub · 02-10-2005, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I agree that if the democrats stick with Dean, Hillary and Pelosi, they are royally screwed.

A 40 year DEM political operative (and editorialist for the Seatle Intelligencia) makes this same point today in the WSJ.

Gattigap · 02-10-2005, 01:40 PM

Hoo, boy.

WASHINGTON - Just one day after U.S. Sen. Mark Dayton decided not to run for a second term, comedian Al Franken may be throwing his hat into the ring.

Last year, Franken said he wanted to run for the Senate in 2008. But last night he told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that he is now considering his candidacy for next year.

On the positive side, this will give us all ample comedic material for the next 18 months or so. Downside -- I expect that the beautiful conversations to come will be without bilmore, whose subsequent commitment to GOP Senate campaign fundraising for pretty much any breathing biped that the MN GOP nominates may preclude any kayaking or posting whatsoever.

I shall miss him. [*sniff*]

Tyrone Slothrop · 02-10-2005, 01:42 PM

Someone tells me that Al Franken is going to run for Senate in Minnesota, to replace Dayton.

eta: That someone could be Gatti, apparently.

Sidd Finch · 02-10-2005, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
We're dealing with a President who can't think of any mistakes he's ever made. The North Koreans just announced they have the bomb.

I asked if the Rs take ANY responsibility, not all the responsibility.

It sounds like the answer is no, they take no responsibility.

You forget -- Bush was busy dealing with the obvious al-Qaeda threat that Clinton had blithely ignored. Remember all the activity towards that end in the first eight months of Bush's presidency?

Bad_Rich_Chic · 02-10-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I agree that if the democrats stick with Dean, Hillary and Pelosi, they are royally screwed.

I want to object to including Hillary in such company. If the Dems front Hil in '08, they may indeed be screwing themselves, but it would be because her name inspires unthinking blind rage in a significant segment of the population, not because she's on a par with Dean or, god forbid, Pelosi in her politics. She's actually done a great job as Senator, and she remains consistently moderate (not in itself a virtue, but as practiced by her it generally is) and sensible every time I've heard her open her mouth on policy issues, domestic or foreign.

I'd vote for her in a flash. And I think the Dems need lots more like her.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 02-10-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
She's actually done a great job as Senator, and she remains consistently moderate

by remains do you mean "has become"? Her record includes things before she became the junior senator from NY.

Hank Chinaski · 02-10-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
and she remains consistently moderate (not in itself a virtue, but as practiced by her it generally is) and sensible every time I've heard her open her mouth on policy issues, domestic

i'm being picky- but......

"We need to eliminate the concept of the electoral college"

Hillary Clinton 12/00

Tyrone Slothrop · 02-10-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
I want to object to including Hillary in such company. If the Dems front Hil in '08, they may indeed be screwing themselves, but it would be because her name inspires unthinking blind rage in a significant segment of the population, not because she's on a par with Dean or, god forbid, Pelosi in her politics. She's actually done a great job as Senator, and she remains consistently moderate (not in itself a virtue, but as practiced by her it generally is) and sensible every time I've heard her open her mouth on policy issues, domestic or foreign.

I'd vote for her in a flash. And I think the Dems need lots more like her.

Dean is moderate, too. Ask club.

Shape Shifter · 02-10-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
"Bush lied- people died"-

"The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons."

. . .

"We agree that the Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons."

. . .

" If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today -- and we do -- does it make any sense for the world to wait to confront him as he grows even stronger and develops even more dangerous weapons?"

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"We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

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"And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons. Every chemical and biological weapon that Iraq has or makes is a direct violation of the truce that ended the Persian Gulf War in 1991. Yet, Saddam Hussein has chosen to build and keep these weapons despite international sanctions, U.N. demands, and isolation from the civilized world."

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"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."

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"We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases."

. . .

"Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists."

. . .

"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" -- his nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."

. . .

"Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

. . .

"After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more. And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon. "

-- W

This never gets old.