Objectively intelligent.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Right Winger Facebook fun!!!

"Wash your mask. Wake up!!!
A caller to a radio talk show recently shared that his wife was hospitalized and told she had COVID and only a couple of days left to live. A doctor friend suggested she be tested for legionnaires disease because she wore the same mask every day all day long. Turns out it WAS legionnaires disease from the moisture and bacteria in her mask. She was given antibiotics and within two days was better. WHAT IF these "spikes" in COVID are really something else due to improper mask wearing?? COPIED!"

There is such a strong human desire to spin a story to explain away the pandemic. One of my blackshirt cousins, a guy with high risk, had a friend tell him on Facebook that he hopes he doesn't catch it, and he said that he and thousands of other people already had it in January. Yeah, sure. A guy I see at the park walking my dog always has some story, like how the hospitals are counting every test as a positive, which is driving up the numbers. So much wishful thinking, getting people killed.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

There is such a strong human desire to spin a story to explain away the pandemic. One of my blackshirt cousins, a guy with high risk, had a friend tell him on Facebook that he hopes he doesn't catch it, and he said that he and thousands of other people already had it in January. Yeah, sure. A guy I see at the park walking my dog always has some story, like how the hospitals are counting every test as a positive, which is driving up the numbers. So much wishful thinking, getting people killed.

We are all going to get it: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/os...des-2020-07-30

The calculation is when. Smart bet is of course to delay until therapies are most advanced.

But is there also a genetic lottery at play? Given my geriatric co-morbidity riddled relatives and clients who’ve cruised thru it mostly if not entirely asymptomatic, while other random younger people have done badly, it’s kind of like cancer. Good luck with your cards.

And if you’re fat and diabetic? Get your house in order. That’s a rectifiable co-morbidity.

(I’ve a train wreck - diabetes, high blood pressure, fat - relative nearing 90 who just waltzed thru it and never even knew it.)

[LessinSF]

Over/under on the amount of days until Alan Dershowitz is indicted - https://uproxx.com/viral/ghislaine-m...an-dershowitz/ ?

And speaking of jackass law professors, Steven Calabresi, co-founder of the Federalist Society, famed conservative law professor, former law clerk to Robert Bork and Antonin Scalia, and Trump supporter, essentially admitted today that one should never, ever consider his poticial opinions again. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/o...ronavirus.html

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

We are all going to get it: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/os...des-2020-07-30

The calculation is when. Smart bet is of course to delay until therapies are most advanced.

But is there also a genetic lottery at play? Given my geriatric co-morbidity riddled relatives and clients who’ve cruised thru it mostly if not entirely asymptomatic, while other random younger people have done badly, it’s kind of like cancer. Good luck with your cards.

And if you’re fat and diabetic? Get your house in order. That’s a rectifiable co-morbidity.

(I’ve a train wreck - diabetes, high blood pressure, fat - relative nearing 90 who just waltzed thru it and never even knew it.)

That’s an informative interview (even if I don’t think it supports your conclusion that we are all going to get it).

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

That’s an informative interview (even if I don’t think it supports your conclusion that we are all going to get it).

If it's around for decades, how do you avoid it?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If it's around for decades, how do you avoid it?

“One of our goals has been to postpone as many cases we can until the vaccine is available and use that as your means for getting 50% to 70% of the population protected.”

He seems pessimistic that a vaccine will eradicate the virus, and it may take multiple vaccines if the virus mutates, but I read the above quote as saying that their goal is delay the spread until a vaccine can protect at least some significant portion of the population. Measles has been around for centuries, but we are not all going to get it.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

“One of our goals has been to postpone as many cases we can until the vaccine is available and use that as your means for getting 50% to 70% of the population protected.”

He seems pessimistic that a vaccine will eradicate the virus, and it may take multiple vaccines if the virus mutates, but I read the above quote as saying that their goal is delay the spread until a vaccine can protect at least some significant portion of the population. Measles has been around for centuries, but we are not all going to get it.

Got it. I misread him. I thought he was suggesting that it would mutate enough that ultimately everyone would wind up getting some form of it.

I think a huge unknown unknown in regard to the virus is mutation. While it can mutate to become more lethal, it can also mutate to become less so, or both at once in different locations. If a less lethal mutation occurs and it spreads widely enough, it could provide a "poor man's vaccine" against later infection with a more virulent strain, no?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Got it. I misread him. I thought he was suggesting that it would mutate enough that ultimately everyone would wind up getting some form of it.

I think a huge unknown unknown in regard to the virus is mutation. While it can mutate to become more lethal, it can also mutate to become less so, or both at once in different locations. If a less lethal mutation occurs and it spreads widely enough, it could provide a "poor man's vaccine" against later infection with a more virulent strain, no?

I’m not a doctor and I don’t play one on the internet. Based on what Osterholm says, I think the best we can say is maybe. Osterholm does seems open to the possibility of herd immunity through some combination of vaccine and infection, but says it is far from certain.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I’m not a doctor and I don’t play one on the internet. Based on what Osterholm says, I think the best we can say is maybe. Osterholm does seems open to the possibility of herd immunity through some combination of vaccine and infection, but says it is far from certain.

If Osterholm is correct about the duration, we're looking a tidal shift in consumption in relation to public eateries, concert venues, conventions, air travel, public transportation, etc. that will sustain for many years to come.

The impact is nothing short of a complete culture change. And not, I fear, to the positive. There will be an enhancement of nationalism due to lack of travel at exactly the wrong time. This will be accompanied by an intranational regionalism accruing from people not mixing in cities as much as they had previously.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Right Winger Facebook fun!!!

"Wash your mask. Wake up!!!
A caller to a radio talk show recently shared that his wife was hospitalized and told she had COVID and only a couple of days left to live. A doctor friend suggested she be tested for legionnaires disease because she wore the same mask every day all day long. Turns out it WAS legionnaires disease from the moisture and bacteria in her mask. She was given antibiotics and within two days was better. WHAT IF these "spikes" in COVID are really something else due to improper mask wearing?? COPIED!"

Leaving aside whether this was bullshit, and whether she was stupid for not washing the mask after a day . . .

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If it's around for decades, how do you avoid it?

Same way you avoid colds and the flu, masks, vaccines, hand washing, and hoping you don't get the genetic bullet in the revolver chamber.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Same way you avoid colds and the flu, masks, vaccines, hand washing, and hoping you don't get the genetic bullet in the revolver chamber.

How does one have a one night stand?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If it's around for decades, how do you avoid it?

Malaria, dengue fever, Lyme disease and West Nile virus have been around for a while and I haven't caught any of them yet.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Leaving aside whether this was bullshit, and whether she was stupid for not washing the mask after a day . . .

It's totally plausible that someone with Covid-19 could also have pneumonia -- it happens in part because Covid-19 damages your lungs and leaves you susceptible to other problems. Many cases of pneumonia are from Legionnaire's. It's entirely plausible that someone wore a mask, was positive for Covid-19, also had pneumonia, had the pneumonia from Legionnaire's, was treated with antibiotics, and got better.

What is recockulous about the story is the suggestion that she got Legionnaire's from wearing a mask. It's a bacteria. It's not going to magically appear in a mask you've been wearing. If anything, the mask will give you some small measure of protection from picking up the bacteria if it's in your environment.

Some people want badly to think that the mask is the threat because then they can avoid getting sick by not wearing the mask -- it lets them pretend that they are in more control than they are.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

It's totally plausible that someone with Covid-19 could also have pneumonia -- it happens in part because Covid-19 damages your lungs and leaves you susceptible to other problems. Many cases of pneumonia are from Legionnaire's. It's entirely plausible that someone wore a mask, was positive for Covid-19, also had pneumonia, had the pneumonia from Legionnaire's, was treated with antibiotics, and got better.

What is recockulous about the story is the suggestion that she got Legionnaire's from wearing a mask. It's a bacteria. It's not going to magically appear in a mask you've been wearing. If anything, the mask will give you some small measure of protection from picking up the bacteria if it's in your environment.

Some people want badly to think that the mask is the threat because then they can avoid getting sick by not wearing the mask -- it lets them pretend that they are in more control than they are.

I have a friend who makes big bucks from Legionnaire's cases. He told me where they come from, thanks. What I am saying is even if the disease was caused by demon sperm spread from liberals -- TWO DAYS OF ANTIBIOTICS AND BETTER.

Also leaving aside that I have never heard of a two day course of antibiotics, but whatever.