Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

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Originally posted by carp
Just kind of curious. What would y'all do if, after logging in on your computer this morning, you noticed a small mouse running across the floor in your biglaw office. You caught it in a Redweld and took it to the office manager. The OM said, "oh, another one" with no hint of concern and proceeded to act like he was going to take it outside to set it free. I guess I should just be lucky, a client was not in the office.

On a more topical note, how many of the partners you work with bring their dogs to the office (yes at biglaw)? No, I am not talking about officially certified trained assistance dogs.

To answer your question in the first paragraph, you should ask the office manager to require that all dogs brought in by partners are trained as ratters.

[barely_legal]

Originally posted by Fencerider
Fashionistas. I need some etiquette advice. Had a real cool interview today with a firm I would love to hook-up with. Spoke with several (4) attorneys and an office manager (really an MBA-type) put it all together. Ms. Fencerider and I are at a quandary as to thank you notes. Momma in law, thinks a short hand-written for the attorneys and a paragraph typed to the office manager (I never did actually speak with her except by e-mail to get the thing set up). We’re etiquetteless slobs pity us please.

FR

I have to admit, as someone who has done A LOT of interviewing (mostly summer associate candidates, but a few laterals), the only thing I've ever done with thank-you letters is show them to my fellow associates so we can giggle over them. Sometimes my secretary and I laugh over them too. They have never influenced me to change a negative recommendation to a positive one, and a few were so ridiculous in their attempts to "connect on a personal level" with me that I changed previously positive recommendations.

But maybe that's just b/c I'm a bitch. Apparently some people actually like gettin them. Better make sure there are no typos though.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by barely_legal
I have to admit, as someone who has done A LOT of interviewing They have never influenced me to change a negative recommendation to a positive one, and a few were so ridiculous in their attempts to "connect on a personal level" with me that I changed previously positive recommendations.

Here's my problem with 'em: I fill out the evaluation the same day I do the interview. Otherwise the form gets burried on my desk, or I forget to fill it out for some other reason. Hell, I usually forget about the applicant altogether within 3 hours (until I'm told "so and so accepted our offer," may prompt my mind to recall the person).

So, if I get a thank-you note a week later, my rec. is gone, and I'm not going to track it down to say the his/her ettiquette is so refined that em wrote me a note. Besides, the Man, not me, is making the decision in the end.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Here's my problem with 'em: I fill out the evaluation the same day I do the interview. Otherwise the form gets burried on my desk, or I forget to fill it out for some other reason. Hell, I usually forget about the applicant altogether within 3 hours (until I'm told "so and so accepted our offer," may prompt my mind to recall the person).

So, if I get a thank-you note a week later, my rec. is gone, and I'm not going to track it down to say the his/her ettiquette is so refined that em wrote me a note. Besides, the Man, not me, is making the decision in the end.

On the plus side, this means that a truly embarrassing thank-you note can't hurt the sender with you.

[evenodds]

For a lateral, it's important to send along a note.

Often, the people with whom you interview are seriously considering you and you might do business with them whether or not they offer you a position or you accept it.

If you made a real, personal connection, send a brief email the day of your interview and and then send a letter along as well.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
No, that would then be a Michael Moore "documentary"

You're just upset because everyone's favorite lunatic came off looking like a bitter, stupid, callous old man.

Moore: "How many guns do you own?"

Heston: [More than any rational person would require.]

Moore: "You live in a multi-million dollar home surrounded by security."

Heston: "That's right."

Moore: "Have you ever had an incident where someone has broken in?"

Heston: "Never."

Moore: "Have you ever needed to defend yourself?"

Heston: "No."

Moore: "Then why do you have all these guns?"

Heston: "Because the Constitution gives me the right to."

Me: "Oh." (What a brilliant pick for spokesman.)

TM

[Connect_the_Dots]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
On the plus side, this means that a truly embarrassing thank-you note can't hurt the sender with you.

I disagree. At my old firm someone was hired who sent me a thank-you note saying that em was "thrilled" to meet me. I don't remember anything we discussed that could be described as "thrilling" so I was uncomfortable whenever I passed that freak in the hallway or stood next to em in the unirnals--especially because I am not sure em was a man.

Eventually the weirdness and tension got to be too much, so I had to start a rumor that em was stealing office supplies and got em arrested.

Now I don't read thank you notes anymore.

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You're just upset because everyone's favorite lunatic came off looking like a bitter, stupid, callous old man.

TM

I think that whole experience being caught in a net and strung up on poles on Planet of the Apes must've really scared the hell out of him. Perhaps that explains the survivalist-nutbag ammo-hoarding?

p(and if that's not a sound basis for a constitutional argument, I don't know what is)j

[Replaced_Texan]

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[Connect_the_Dots]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You're just upset because everyone's favorite lunatic came off looking like a bitter, stupid, callous old man.

Moore: "Then why do you have all these guns?"

Heston: "Because the Constitution gives me the right to."

Me: "Oh." (What a brilliant pick for spokesman.)

TM

Why is that a stupid answer? If you think that people shouldn't have guns, then get enough support and change the constitution--it has been done before. If he wanted to take his millions and buy more whiskey than he could possibly drink, would you have a problem with that? So what if he wants to buy guns, that is his right. It may not be smart, but neither is eating fried foods, yet we don't try to tell those people that they have no right to do it because what they are doing is stupid.

I think trying to pass laws that abridge the 2d amendment are more dangerous than Heston's guns. If we buy the principle that a bare majority can pass laws that make an end-run around the constitution for "safety" or "security" then what is to keep the gov from trying to abridge the 1st amendment? The 4th amendment?

This country is about individual freedoms not majority rules.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You're just upset because everyone's favorite lunatic came off looking like a bitter, stupid, callous old man.

He did come across pretty bad. Of course what are you supposed to think of someone who goes and holds a ralley in a city that has just had a tragedy, and actually chuckles about the fact the Mayor told him not to come.

I didn't think much of him when he did that. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you need to do it.

And of course he didn't know about the little girl who had been shot in the other city when he went to visit. He just went there randomly, suuuure.

What a moron.


Did ya see the movie CtD? They did a pretty nice job of making him look dumb. Not that that is surprising, given the whole point of the movie.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by leagleaze
He just went there randomly, suuuure. What a moron.

Cool. A hidden, unsupported, and snide assertion. You HAVE been watching Moore.

[Connect_the_Dots]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Did ya see the movie CtD? They did a pretty nice job of making him look dumb. Not that that is surprising, given the whole point of the movie.

There are lots of dumb people here, that doesn't surprise me. And I did see the movie, it was funny and raised some interesting points, but he does draw conclusions that I wouldn't, necessarilly, have drawn and he did play very fast and loose with the facts.

-The "missle" factory in Columbine that he claims makes weapons and ties it to Kosovo, actually makes satellites.

-Heston didn't give that Speach a few days after the Columbine killing, it was actually a year later.

He was also criticised in Roger & Me for flubbing facts. I think there are good enough arguments to make against guns without having to resort to distortions and falsehoods to get your point across though.

I didn't grow up hunting, like Moore, and I don't think I would know how to use a gun properly unless those Rambo movies are accurate protrayals of proper gun technique. So I don't want to own 50 guns--it's a waste of money--but I support the NRA because I think standing for the constitutional issue is more important than what they stand for. I liken it to allowing the march in Skokie Illinois.

[SlaveNoMore]

ThurgreedMarshall
You're just upset because everyone's favorite lunatic came off looking like a bitter, stupid, callous old man.

No, I'm bitter because they gave the "Best Documentary" Oscar to this fat, flippant bastard who digitally alters speeches and stages events to make his point.

If you like to help repair this travesty, go here .

not7yS

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Connect_the_Dots
So what if he wants to buy guns, that is his right. . . . If we buy the principle that a bare majority can pass laws that make an end-run around the constitution for "safety" or "security" then what is to keep the gov from trying to abridge the 1st amendment? The 4th amendment?

I'm hoping all of this is a tongue-in-cheek reference to the USA PATRIOT Act, but the Second Amendment doesn't protect Heston's right to buy guys since he's not in a militia. I understand that the NRA has tried to read that inconvenient text out of the Second Amendment, but it's still in there. If you disagree, I suggest we take it up on the Politics Board.