A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Huh. Not falling into either category, I did not know that. Was this the case prior to GWB?

Yes. IIRC, section 2036 allows for both an alternate valuation method and an installment payment option for small businesses and family farms

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Where was the lie? That your wealthy limousine liberal comrades advance and advocate taxes, including the death tax, everywhere that they can, and yet avoid those taxes by paying lawyers and accountants vast sums to skirt the law or exploit loopholes, while the hardworking Americans of more modest means get their accounts and estates raped by the oppressors of the liberal conspiracy?

I guess socialists just look at things differently than capitalists.

So why don't we cut the taxes of working class Americans and pay for it through spending cuts and by taxing the richest Americans?

And if we are going to go after taxes, shouldn't we first try and cut income taxes for working class families before going after the estate tax?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Where was the lie? That your wealthy limousine liberal comrades advance and advocate taxes, including the death tax, everywhere that they can, and yet avoid those taxes by paying lawyers and accountants vast sums to skirt the law or exploit loopholes, while the hardworking Americans of more modest means get their accounts and estates raped by the oppressors of the liberal conspiracy?

I guess socialists just look at things differently than capitalists.

I find the close parallels between your rhetorical style and Hugo Chavez's to be amusing.

Happy New Year, P.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Spanky
SACRAMENTO — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will propose that all Californian children, including those in the state illegally, be guaranteed medical insurance as part of the healthcare overhaul he intends to unveil next week, according to officials familiar with the plan.

Many of my fellow Republicans are already complaining about the plan (Stephen Frank in California Political News and Views):

Governor/Democrats Want Illegal Alien Children To Get "Free" Health Care


Open the borders. If not, the Border Guards will be knocked down by the hordes coming across the border.

California gives free education to anyone who can legally or illegally cross the border. If the Governor and the Sacramento Democrats have their way, all children, here legally or illegally will be guaranteed free health care. All of this paid for with your money.

Do you think this is right? What do you think will happen if this proposal would pass? Write your thoughts directly on the web site for all to see and discuss.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
So why don't we cut the taxes of working class Americans and pay for it through spending cuts and by taxing the richest Americans?

And if we are going to go after taxes, shouldn't we first try and cut income taxes for working class families before going after the estate tax?

Why not (i) do away with the estate tax; (ii) do away with the corporate income tax-profits remain taxed once, as return to investors at iii and (iii) flat tax the income tax (into a postcard filing style tax return, i.e. no deductions, no credits, no loopholes, nada zip nothing); for a revenue neutral reform?


An added bonii, think of all the saved expenditures that corporate america and indiviual americans will have from the reduced third party accountant and tax attorney fees that they will liberated from!!!

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
A committee I sit on recommended this to the Governator, and my name is being used as a sponsor. Do you think Slave, Penske and Hank will ever forgive me?


Gov. to seek insurance for all children Illegal immigrants would be covered in his plan to overhaul the state healthcare system.

By Jordan Rau LA Times 1/4/07

SACRAMENTO — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will propose that all Californian children, including those in the state illegally, be guaranteed medical insurance as part of the healthcare overhaul he intends to unveil next week, according to officials familiar with the plan.

If enacted by the Legislature, his proposal would affect about 763,000 children who now lack insurance. Although the administration has not revealed details of how it would pay for such a program, officials estimate that extending insurance to all children could cost the state as much as $400 million a year.

That would be a small piece of Schwarzenegger’s stated goal: to ensure medical coverage for all of the 6.5 million Californians who now have none. Experts say that could cost upward of $10 billion a year.

If successful, the governor’s effort to cover all children would be a substantial political feat. Only a few states guarantee coverage for all those under 18. Schwarzenegger himself vetoed a measure to cover all children in 2005, complaining that lawmakers offered no way to pay for it.

California’s Republican legislators, who blocked a more modest effort to extend healthcare coverage last year, are sure to rebel against a plan that includes children of illegal immigrants.

Schwarzenegger is scheduled to announce his full health plan Monday. His office is still finalizing many parts of that package, but aides have made clear that it will be an ambitious effort to restrain healthcare costs and reduce the state’s uninsured population.

All sectors of the healthcare industry, including hospitals, insurers, doctors, patients, businesses and government, would pay some of the costs under Schwarzenegger’s plan. People familiar with the proposal say that it includes new requirements for businesses to cover employees, though the details were unclear. The more cost shouldered by employers and workers, the less the state would have to spend.

In addition, a number of measures favored by some aides, such as limiting the profits of insurers, remain undecided.

"There is no final health plan," said Adam Mendelsohn, Schwarzenegger’s communications director. "As has been the case from the start, all ideas are on the table and the final touches are being applied. The administration is not confirming the inclusion of any one piece."

But several independent sources said Schwarzenegger had committed to the framework of the children’s insurance portion. Administration officials have privately told people outside government that they intend to guarantee medical coverage for children of families earning up to 300% of the poverty level, or $60,000 a year for a family of four. Those families have 90% of the children without insurance. But the cutoff is not yet set in stone.

Schwarzenegger’s proposal goes further than one put forward last month by Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata (D-Oakland). His plan excluded illegal immigrants. Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez (D-Los Angeles) incorporated children of undocumented residents into his plan, which also was announced in December.

"A lot of us are really looking to [Schwarzenegger] for leadership," said Wendy Lazarus, founder of the Children’s Partnership, a nonpartisan child advocacy group based in Santa Monica and Washington, D.C. "Assuming he is going to tell us that he is going to cover all kids, this is great news for California’s kids."

About 90% of California’s children already have insurance, either through their parents’ coverage or through state Medi-Cal programs that help the impoverished. For years, advocates have been pressing lawmakers to finish the job, arguing that the electorate would be sympathetic to the plight of children.

"It’s the low-hanging fruit of the healthcare reform debate," said Dr. Bob Ross, president of the California Endowment, a private foundation in Los Angeles that was created to push for expanded access to healthcare.

"Kids are relatively cheaper to cover" than adults, he said. "From a public health standpoint, it’s smarter to cover all children regardless of immigration. You just don’t want unimmunized kids surfing around in the population."

Such arguments have yet to win the day in Sacramento. Last year, Schwarzenegger backed a budget plan that would have helped fund local children’s initiatives. Republican lawmakers blocked the proposal, because it would have included coverage for children of illegal immigrants.

"We believe Californians do not want to reward illegal behavior," said Assembly Republican leader Mike Villines of Clovis. "There are so many here [legally] who are hurting and trying to make ends meet, we’ve got to focus on them first."

The GOP is a minority in both houses of the Legislature, but most proposals involving state spending require a two-thirds vote, giving Republicans the power to stop them. However, it is possible that Schwarzenegger’s plan could be molded to need a simple majority vote, like the last major piece of healthcare legislation to become law.

That measure, a 2003 mandate that most employers provide insurance for their workers, was repealed by voters the following year.

Schwarzenegger has taken incremental steps to expand existing programs aimed at children’s health, including the addition of $80 million to the state budget last year.

Martha Escutia, a former Democratic state senator from Whittier who pressed for coverage of all children, including those of illegal immigrants, said Schwarzenegger told her in 2004 that he agreed with her.

"I said very bluntly that there was no way we could distinguish between children based on legal status," she recalled Wednesday. "And the governor agreed. He said, ’Children are children.’ I remember him saying that very clearly."

Sixty-nine percent of Californian children without health insurance in 2005 were eligible for existing programs but were not enrolled, according to the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research.

That was due to a variety of factors, including inadequate funds in some county programs to cover all those who qualified, and some of the bureaucratic requirements for entering state programs.

Many parents, for instance, are required to prove that their earnings are low enough to qualify their children.

There is disagreement about how many of the uninsured children are here illegally. A 2003 UCLA survey said that 33% were not citizens, but that does not mean that they were in the country illegally. Ross, of the California Endowment, said the number was below 15%.

Most of the other states that already guarantee coverage for all children do it through state-paid programs for those from poor families, and by allowing better-off families to cover their children by paying a portion of the costs for the same programs.

Typically, the more a family earns, the more it pays. Connecticut, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, New Hampshire, New Jersey and Vermont all have such programs.

Lazarus, of the Children’s Partnership, said that although California would not be the first to cover all children, it has fewer employers providing insurance and more illegal immigrants than other states, making coverage more challenging.

"For California to step up at this time when states and Congress are really focused on healthcare reform means that California could have a really significant leadership role across the nation," she said.

Yes.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I find the close parallels between your rhetorical style and Hugo Chavez's to be amusing.

Happy New Year, P.

I wouldn't know, I don't read commie propaganda. Why do you?

ps: Happy New Year!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
that's a moronic analysis. He didn't mean just you, he meant all the faux-intellectually superior left-wing cut and runners who free ride off of W's military effourts to win the war on Terror and save America for future generations of patriots who love freedom. I am sure if you toss in guys like Soros, Gates, Buffett and there ilk the number will rise a bit.

2. if Soros had not financed the futile attempt to run the patriot Joe L. out of the senate, Soros could have given the Government enough $$ to sponsor a half dozen artists putting shit on flags or Jesus pictures. it's all about allocation of resources.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The quiz only considers lip service to deficit reduction.

exactly. like to get points off, you only have to say you want to help poor people. the quiz is lifelike in not requiring anything to be done to actually help poor people to be given liberal credit.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
exactly. like to get points off, you only have to say you want to help poor people. the quiz is lifelike in not requiring anything to be done to actually help poor people to be given liberal credit.

Or conservative, for that matter. You could say it captures U.S. politics very well, in that respect.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
to what?

This is for non-combat units only, but the upper age limit for enlistees in the Army is now 42.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/enlage42.htm

“Experience has shown that older recruits who can meet the physical demands of Army service generally make excellent Soldiers. They are mature, motivated, loyal and patriotic, and bring with them a wealth of skills and experience to our Army,” said Col. Donald Bartholomew, U.S. Army Recruiting Command Assistant Chief of Staff, G5.

“We certainly do not expect for this change to result in a large increase of recruits, however it will allow for those individuals who have the passion for service, but for whatever reason could not serve earlier in their lives, the opportunity to serve the nation now, when the time is right for them,” he added.

S_A_M

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
This is for non-combat units only, but the upper age limit for enlistees in the Army is now 42.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/enlage42.htm

“Experience has shown that older recruits who can meet the physical demands of Army service generally make excellent Soldiers. They are mature, motivated, loyal and patriotic, and bring with them a wealth of skills and experience to our Army,” said Col. Donald Bartholomew, U.S. Army Recruiting Command Assistant Chief of Staff, G5.

“We certainly do not expect for this change to result in a large increase of recruits, however it will allow for those individuals who have the passion for service, but for whatever reason could not serve earlier in their lives, the opportunity to serve the nation now, when the time is right for them,” he added.

S_A_M

Penske is to shy to ask this, but I'm sure it's a deal killer- can you get in if you have a colostomy bag? Plus Penske just turned 50. Is it easy to fool them with a fake ID?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I wouldn't know, I don't read commie propaganda.

Yet, apparently, you read DU and that other stuff with such enthusiasm. Go figure.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
This is for non-combat units only, but the upper age limit for enlistees in the Army is now 42.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/enlage42.htm

“Experience has shown that older recruits who can meet the physical demands of Army service generally make excellent Soldiers. They are mature, motivated, loyal and patriotic, and bring with them a wealth of skills and experience to our Army,” said Col. Donald Bartholomew, U.S. Army Recruiting Command Assistant Chief of Staff, G5.

“We certainly do not expect for this change to result in a large increase of recruits, however it will allow for those individuals who have the passion for service, but for whatever reason could not serve earlier in their lives, the opportunity to serve the nation now, when the time is right for them,” he added.

S_A_M

Flashpoll:

How old am I?

eta: Slave is ineligible to participate, no offence, as he actually knows me irl.

[SlaveNoMore]

Hank Chinaski
2. if Soros had not financed the futile attempt to run the patriot Joe L. out of the senate, Soros could have given the Government enough $$ to sponsor a half dozen artists putting shit on flags or Jesus pictures. it's all about allocation of resources.

Conyers - the ethically-challenged turkey stealer - is about to reintrouduce legislation that would make it a crime to offend religious texts specifically and religion generally.

Of course, the Koran is only text named in his proposed legislation.

I highly doubt the left will embrace this though, as it potentially will make it illegal for them to blame everything on the jews.