Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by taxwonk
The unemployment rate under Clinton was the lowest that has ever existed historically.

So are you saying Clinton had something to do with the unemployment rate being low during that time? It was Al Gore who invented the internet, not Clinton.

[Aloha Mr. Learned Hand]

Originally posted by bilmore
Okay, I guess I have to concede, and change my vote to Kerry.

Germany's and France's endorsement didn't do it.

Al Queda's didn't do it, either.

But, damn, Mumia's is the last straw. All of the moral weight has now come down on Kerry's side.

If only Ho Chi Minh were still alive.

Kidding... Kidding...

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
If only Ho Chi Minh were still alive.

Kidding... Kidding...

Ho
Ho
Ho Chi Minh
NLF is gonna win

(ah, memories.)

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
INstead of that sorry photochop, why not a real pic? He seems to be surrendering faster than a frenchman.

I saw that as a clip on the local news. In fairness, Kerry was scooping up a fumble by the kid to whom he had pitched the ball. Impossible to tell from the film whether or not the pitch was accurate.

[Aloha Mr. Learned Hand]

Originally posted by bilmore
Ho
Ho
Ho Chi Minh
NLF is gonna win

(ah, memories.)

I always think of the Wizard of Oz thing from Good Morning Vietnam --- "Oh wee oh... Hoooo Chi Minh."

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Max Cleland's extremely partisan activities are being subsidized by the American taxpayer....[/list]

Well Goddamn! Partisan activities subsidized by the government? How shocking!

Who do you think is paying Karl Rove?

S_A_M

[Raggedy Ann Coulter]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
If only Ho Chi Minh were still alive.

Why? Isn't his disciple running?

[Raggedy Ann Coulter]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Well Goddamn! Partisan activities subsidized by the government? How shocking!

Who do you think is paying Karl Rove?

S_A_M

Apparently, the same idiots who are paying John Kerry to never show up for any Senate hearings.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by bilmore
You know, when I made a point about the politics and biases of the deliverers of messages being pertinent to the discussion, SAM and Ty made fun of me.

But this is different. Right?

I never disagreed with your basic point. I made fun of you when that was all you did -- attack the messenger but not the substance. No, this is no different.

I'm sure lots of people hate Kerry for that stuff, and its a legitimate subject for discussion. The right and wrongs of that are not, however, as simple and easy to project as the lies about Kerry lying.

Too bad that the "SwiftBoat Veterans for Truth" didn't have the honesty to admit up front that their ringleaders have hated the f-cker for 30+ years because of his anti-war activities, can't bear the thought of him as President, and that's why they set out to chop him up.

S_A_M

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I saw that as a clip on the local news. In fairness, Kerry was scooping up a fumble by the kid to whom he had pitched the ball. Impossible to tell from the film whether or not the pitch was accurate.

Yes, I saw the film too. It actually was funnier there, because the pictures make it look more normal.

His error was he tried to pick up the fumble and run with it--he should know the QB just falls on any fumble.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The better question is why is there such a need to create new manufacturing jobs? If the work can be done elsewhere better and cheaper, why shouldn't it be? How is "creating" new manufacturing jobs (which can only be achieved through protectionist incentives - a wonderful idea, since the world community is so in love with us already...) any different than the GOP's subsidizing farmers to buy their votes? The Dems scream about how Bush subsidizes farmers, yet they seem to want to do the same thing for manufacturing workers.

Manufacturing jobs will not come back until the cost of foreign labor makes domestic labor economically attractive. Kerry might try to speed up that reality via legislation, but I doubt he'll have much short term success (whatever protective legislation is passed will be swiss-cheesed with loopholes). That leaves a question that I can't answer... What happens to people who are solely skilled for manufacturing-level jobs during the years while all the labor is offshore? Do they get absorbed by the service industries?

That question you can't answer, that's kind of the rub, so to speak. It's all well and good to speak of the efficiency of the market and the invisible hand. But what do you do when confronted with the visible hand of the displaced workers and their families?

Tough shit? They had a choice and they picked the wrong time to be born? This is why we never should have done away with the debtors' prisons?

The real bitch of this being a democratic society is that we have chosen to give our political system a human element.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect...ws-lips27.html

That's a screw-up by the website, but not dishonest. All Silver Stars are awarded for valor in combat, by definition -- which is why they don't use a separate designator.

Kerry's Bronze Star is presumably awarded with the "V" for Valor, beause that medal can be awarded for meritorious service in a combat zone, and not necessarily for bravery in combat.

You'd think they'd be more careful, though.

S_A_M

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Too bad that the "SwiftBoat Veterans for Truth" didn't have the honesty to admit up front that their ringleaders have hated the f-cker for 30+ years because of his anti-war activities, can't bear the thought of him as President, and that's why they set out to chop him up.S_A_M

There is something unseemly about such personal hatred, isn't there? It's like their actions are based on an "Anybody But Kerry" credo. Unbelievable.

(Actually, if you looked at the books, all the interviews over the years, and O'Neil's debate with JK, you would have noticed that that's exactly what they were saying. They only got organized about it after the admiral was shown portions of Kerry's book that completely re-wrote the history that he knew personally, and made him out to be a whacko stone killer.)

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
That's a screw-up by the website, but not dishonest. . . .
You'd think they'd be more careful, though.

Ever notice that when the grocery store scanner makes a mistake, it's NEVER for a smaller price?

[Replaced_Texan]

So there's this brouhaha over an ad that the bush campaign is running about the Olympics, citing the Iraqi and Afghanistan teams as two new* democracies. The United States Olympic Committee has asked the Bush campaign to pull the ad because they have rights to term "Olympics." (I think they've been fairly agressive in defending their copyright.) The campaign told them to fuck off.

Apparently the IOC, isn't overjoyed with the Bush administration's response, though officially it's a Bush/USOC dispute, there's been a suggestion that the refusal to push the ads pretty much eliminates New York's chances of getting the games in 2012. From what I've heard from friends in Atlanta, New Yorkers may consider crossing the aisle in thanks. (cite: Article in German, translation in Kos. This is ultimately going to be impossible to prove, because New York wasn't really high on the list to begin with, and the 9/11 sympathy that got New York on the list in the first place has since worn off.

*Not quite up and running.