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[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
He changed the name to reflect who asked him for it before sending it on. Back when I worked in politics, we hand changed names all the time as something was being bumped up the line. There's a desire to keep things moving and less concern about form than in the average Biglaw firm.

Could it be a draft? Yes. But it would be more likely if he crossed out his signature and sent it back - at least that was the way I saw most people operating.

Also, people frequently write on memos after they get them.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
No. Hank might say that, but Bush never would. He and his administration are apparently either incapable of screwing up or incapable of acknowledging it.

[When you operate by divine revelation, such an admission would raise troubling theological issues. ]

S_A_M

I think Bush is hoping the Cardinals will consider him when the inevitable occurs -- he understands there are no term limitations to that gig.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
hint- always look at the date- 1/25/01- Bush had been President 2 or 3 days- which means "here's something we've been living with the past few years- we want you to worry about it also."

All this memo does is show Clinton ignored the problem.

Right. It doesn't show that the Bush Admin was put on alert within a few days of taking office. It doesn't show that at all. And Bush, of course, did so much to deal with the problem.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I look at the memo and it appears to be in draft form, which raises the question in my mind as to whether it was ever delivered.

Do you say that because there are handwritten comments? You've really never seen interoffice memos with handwriting on them?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Right. It doesn't show that the Bush Admin was put on alert within a few days of taking office. It doesn't show that at all. And Bush, of course, did so much to deal with the problem.

It's posts like this that make everyone think you are very short.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I don't want to engage in any of this, because you are not open minded. I think neither Clinton nor Bush could have predicted or prevented 9/11.

That wasn't the question.

I don't think Clinton's NK policy was nefarious, but I do think it placed way too much trust in NK.

That wasn't the question, either.

Absent war, under either president, there was no way to stop NK from getting the weapons, but that being the case, I would rather they get them without our support than with it.

Do you think Clinton somehow supported NK's efforts to get weapons? We promised them (non-weapons related) help, but we never delivered.

My point above was that you were saying ignorant things about Clinton's AQ policy, and that when I challenged you on it, you started to say ignorant things about NK instead. It's not hard to get the facts straight on this stuff, but you have to try. Both you and Hank are driving me nuts today because you're saying things that have no basis in reality, and then changing the subject when someone points this out. Why this bothers me more today than usual, I don't know.

Maybe Condi never saw the memo. If so, you'd think she'd want to find out how it could be that the senior counterterrorism official in the U.S. government could tell the National Security Advisor that it's urgent that the government focus on the problem, and the NSA never got the message. That sort of ineptitude would be highly, highly troubling, don't you think?

But no one really believes this. What's clear is that Clarke was asking for attention, and that the incoming administration decided that they were going to do things different from the Clinton folks, and that meant focusing on things like missile defense instead. Clark and counterterrorism were put on the back burner, and stayed there until September 11.

Now, try to tell a convincing, alternative story about the same period of time that is (a) based on some real facts, and (b) doesn't have anything to do with North Korea or what Clinton may have done.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Yes, and Clinton's NK policy would have worked if Bush just had the brains to continue it.

And Bush's policy of declaring NK part of the Axis of Evil and a candidate for preemptive war has just worked wahndahfully.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Yes, Clinton didn't ignore the threat, but Bush did.

That's right. Clinton was the first president to recognize the dangers presented by terrorism, and that's why counterterrorism funding increased dramatically under his adminstration at a time when funding for almost everything else was being cut (remember balanced budgets?).

You go with that one SS, and maybe you people will retain 40 seats in the senate.

I welcome your arrogant optimism.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...C-RSSFeeds0312

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
It's posts like this that make everyone think you are very short.

Six foot, 180, two black belts. And not stuck in Detroit doing pawn shop defense or tenement repossession.

Next?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sgtclub
He (or someone else) made handwritten comments on it - egro draft form. A final document usually does not contain hand written comments. I'm not saying it's definitive, but if that doesn't at least raise the question in your mind, I can't help you.

Are you accusing the NSC of declassifying false documents?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I welcome your arrogant optimism.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...C-RSSFeeds0312

Numbskull- the seniors will be dead by then-

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
two black belts.

this proves it- 5' 4" tops.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Numbskull- the seniors will be dead by then-

So then SS is safe?

Bush Lied!!!

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
this proves it- 5' 4" tops.

Tee-hee. This takes me back to when you called yourself Fluffy and were saying that I was a non-equity partner at an insurance defense firm.

Ah, good times, good times. The avatar may change, but the dementia remains the same.


Poll: After Ty finishes demonstrating that Hank knows even less about policy towards NK than he does about policy towards AG, will Hank change the subject to Monica, or to Hillary and health care reform?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
After Ty finishes demonstrating that Hank knows even less about policy towards NK than he does about policy towards AG,

My policy is i wish he'd come back- he was by far the most fun liberal on this forum- you're scary but that's okay over the net