Making Baby Jesus Cry

Originally posted by Spanky
When you want to tell me what the American public is thinking, or how their thinking is changing, or what the effect of a certain policy position is, cite me a poll or tell me the results of a focus group.

Like this? Or is Gallup part of the vast left-wing media conspiracy? I find it hard to keep track, since I don't listen to Rush as regularly as I used to.

[SlaveNoMore]

ironweed
Like this? Or is Gallup part of the vast left-wing media conspiracy? I find it hard to keep track, since I don't listen to Rush as regularly as I used to.

He still seems to e doing better than Mother Sheehan, not that this means anything.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Dissent. It was the same whinging almost two years ago with Shrieking Howie Dean in the "cindy Sheehan" role. Last year at this time Hanoi Johnny Kerry was doing the Cindy.

The truth is, the majority of real Americans supports this President, which is why he received a mandate last November. You Dims just are sorelosermen who keep crying over the same spilt milk but just use a changing array of crocodiles to shed your tears. Why not skip the middleman and move to France?

You waterhead... You can't compare Sheehan to Dean. Dean's a New England liberal. We in the Mid Atlantic don't even trust anyone from that Freak Kingdom.

Sheehan's a mom with a dead soldier son. Instant, impenetrable credibility. Untouchable. The more you rip her, the more you hurt yourself. I'm surprised it took the Dems so long to find such a perfect weapon.

Actually, I'm not. The Dems find new ways to let me down every day.

* BTW, for the 50th time - I am not a registered Democrat. I grew up in a staunch republican family. When it comes to voting and sex, I swing.

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
not that this means anything.

Are you going and getting all sensible in your old age? Cut it out. It's creepy.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
When it comes to voting and sex, I swing.

FB cross-post!

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ironweed
Like this? Or is Gallup part of the vast left-wing media conspiracy? I find it hard to keep track, since I don't listen to Rush as regularly as I used to.

Oh, you're missing out...

I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta
From a better vanished time
I fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel
I commit my weekly crime

Wind
In my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge...

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Spanky
When you want to tell me what the American public is thinking, or how their thinking is changing, or what the effect of a certain policy position is, cite me a poll or tell me the results of a focus group. Don't tell me what one person thinks because that information is useless. And this has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

Again - a concept that is so basic almost any moron should be able to get it but some how people find it necessary to dispute the obvious.

"Any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one."

-Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience

Do not mistake my statement for a blunder that this is a First Amendment issue. It is not. I am saying something slightly more subtle: the Founding Fathers* found the potential necessity of having an individual bring his greivances forward so important they included it in the Constitution to make sure that right was not abridged. You may disagree with her (as many do). You may disagree with the news media chosing to provided so much coverage of her (but that's a different part of the First Amendment). But her right, both Constitutionally and morally, to bring her greivance to the President in this manner, is absolute, as is yours and mine and the guys' who [used to] camp out in Lafayette Park prtesting nuclear arms.


*Admittedly, Democrats.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Oh, you're missing out...

I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant red Barchetta
From a better vanished time
I fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel
I commit my weekly crime

Wind
In my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge...

Painful, but I knew this was coming the minute I hit "submit." So I can't complain.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by baltassoc
"Any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one."

-Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience

Do not mistake my statement for a blunder that this is a First Amendment issue. It is not. I am saying something slightly more subtle: the Founding Fathers* found the potential necessity of having an individual bring his greivances forward so important they included it in the Constitution to make sure that right was not abridged. You may disagree with her (as many do). You may disagree with the news media chosing to provided so much coverage of her (but that's a different part of the First Amendment). But her right, both Constitutionally and morally, to bring her greivance to the President in this manner, is absolute, as is yours and mine and the guys' who [used to] camp out in Lafayette Park prtesting nuclear arms.


*Admittedly, Democrats.

Thoreau? Are you Don Henley?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by baltassoc


I am saying something slightly more subtle:

I guess that is one way to describe a straw man argument or a completely irrelevant statement.

Originally posted by baltassoc the Founding But her right, both Constitutionally and morally, to bring her greivance to the President in this manner, is absolute, as is yours and mine and the guys' who [used to] camp out in Lafayette Park prtesting nuclear arms.

No one ever argued with this. Get out of first grade and move over to the adults table. Of course she has a right to do this - there is an issue of how politically effective it will be or how Bush should respond to it, but there is no issue concerning her right to do what she is doing. If you want to pontificate about the necessity of people expressing their ideas and bringing grievances to the government, fine, but don't try and pretend that it is a relevant response to one of my points.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Thoreau? Are you Don Henley?

Balt's simply taking the high road after (implicitly) being called a moron by Spanky. Admirable restraint.

[SlaveNoMore]

baltassoc
"Any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one."

-Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience

"Most New Englanders were ignoring the vigil with the perfect obliviousness to all incongruity that has been a New England hallmark since Henry David Thoreau went off to live a hermit's life at Walden Pond but continued to have his mother do his laundry."

- P.J. O'Rourke

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Spanky
I thought you were smarter than this. Why would the opinion of one person in a country of close to 300 million people matter politically to W (even if she is a swing voter).

Shit, you're right! Better call Zogby, Harris, Nielsen, and the rest and tell them to pack it in.

Wait -- they might respond that the opinions of multiple persons, in the aggregate, may well matter. They might also argue that, in a country of close to 300 million people, damn few opinions are held by a total of one person.

Anyhow, Spanky --

In a way its nice to see that you're growing a sack nowadays (you were just too nice at first). However, I though YOU were smarter than that.

S_A_M

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Spanky
I guess that is one way to describe a straw man argument or a completely irrelevant statement.



No one ever argued with this. Get out of first grade and move over to the adults table. Of course she has a right to do this - there is an issue of how politically effective it will be or how Bush should respond to it, but there is no issue concerning her right to do what she is doing. If you want to pontificate about the necessity of people expressing their ideas and bringing grievances to the government, fine, but don't try and pretend that it is a relevant response to one of my points.

Why don't you go back and read my entire post (it wasn't that long) and see if this was really my point?

Individuals matter. They should matter. I reject you hypothesis that people should matter less than polls and focus groups.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by baltassoc
Why don't you go back and read my entire post (it wasn't that long) and see if this was really my point?

Individuals matter. They should matter. I reject you hypothesis that people should matter less than polls and focus groups.

She is obviously mentally ill and her ravings should be accordingly discounted in the same way that the "waaaaahhs", "goooos" and "gaaaaas" of the Demo leadership should be discounted as the baby talk that it is.