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greatwhitenorthchick · 04-21-2003, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
No, that would then be a Michael Moore "documentary"

not7yS

Speaking of "documentaries," I saw "American Movie" this weekend. Very funny. Reminds me of people where I grew up.

Like Atticus, I appear to be a few years out of date (although I finally figured out what the kids have been talking about with this Tivo gadget and set it up last weekend).

bilmore · 04-21-2003, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
At one point we were using a plastic easter egg as the pallino,

Damn. I didn't even know that you USED horses in bocce ball.

Replaced_Texan · 04-21-2003, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Damn. I didn't even know that you USED horses in bocce ball.

You can see why a plastic easter egg was a poor substitute, then.

ThurgreedMarshall · 04-21-2003, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Speaking of "documentaries," I saw "American Movie" this weekend. Very funny. Reminds me of people where I grew up.

Alright, the subject of that film was a nut. But, of the few scenes they showed of his movie, do you doubt that he would actually be a pretty good director/producer if given a chance? I thought it was going to be complete crap, but it ended up being quite good, given the limited resources and talent he had on hand. He was surprisingly thorough. What'd you think?

TM

Gattigap · 04-21-2003, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Problem is, the stories they buried WERE the real meat - what ife was like in Iraq, and what Saddam did to his people routinely. What they buried was the expose to what many people did not accept as true until much later, thanks to CNN's whitewash.

Are you really saying that because CNN -- in particular -- did not run everything it had on how Saddam and his regime terrorized, tortured, and killed his people over the last decade or so, that this led the rest of the world to doubt that he was doing these things?

I think that:

1. With the exception of the French, Russians, and Germans, very few people didn't know or suspect that Saddam et al was really that bad. (And even these three knew, but chose to ignore it for reasons discussed ad nauseum on the Politics bd).

2. Your bar for Western news organizations is rather high. When I'm told that at least one CNN Baghdad reporter was tortured because of CNN reporting, and that the rest were threatened to be killed if they didn't bury stories, I'm willing to cut them a little slack.

3. To those who said they should've simply pulled out of Iraq, I'm not sure what the recommended alternative really is. Fine -- you refuse to compromise your principles, you pull out every last reporter in the country, and you make a big splash about how Saddam threatened to kill your news division and everyone in it.

Then what? Keeping these principles becomes more more difficult when you've got nothing to report because you have no assets there.

Gattigap

str8outavannuys · 04-21-2003, 07:50 PM

Maybe I should start out with stuff I considered, but didn't get, at the very picked-through Ventura Blvd. Wherehouse Music 70% off "GoingOut Of Business" sale:

Rhett Miller's latest (cause I already bought it, full price, alas)
Flickerstick (from the greatest reality TV show of all time, Bands on the Run)
'N Sync
Lots of 98 Degrees
Britney's latest

What I did get:

Three Old 97s discs
Spinal Tap
Ash, Free All Angels
St. Lunatics, Free City
Our Lady Peace, Clubsy
The Vines, Get Free Import
Hootie, Cracked Rear View, and why not
Natalie Merchant, Motherland
Dread Zeppelin. Ugh (listened to it once, never again).

It was really picked through. I mean really. Really really.

str(really)8

greatwhitenorthchick · 04-21-2003, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Alright, the subject of that film was a nut. But, of the few scenes they showed of his movie, do you doubt that he would actually be a pretty good director/producer if given a chance? I thought it was going to be complete crap, but it ended up being quite good, given the limited resources and talent he had on hand. He was surprisingly thorough. What'd you think?

TM

I think "Coven" actually premiered at the Toronto Film Festival and got butchered.

But as for your question, I agree he was a nut, but surprisingly complex and sharp and not some random raving nut. I agree that he really thought things out and had a real vision of what he wanted to do. Apparently he is working on a new movie called "scare me", so I suppose if that one makes it anywhere it will show that he is not just a novelty act.
http://www.americanmovie.com/ - links to diary discussing new film

notcasesensitive · 04-21-2003, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I think "Coven" actually premiered at the Toronto Film Festival and got butchered.

But as for your question, I agree he was a nut, but surprisingly complex and sharp and not some random raving nut. I agree that he really thought things out and had a real vision of what he wanted to do. Apparently he is working on a new movie called "scare me", so I suppose if that one makes it anywhere it will show that he is not just a novelty act.
http://www.americanmovie.com/ - links to diary discussing new film

I bought that DVD for my SO for Christmas (Wisconsin connection there). We really enjoyed the part of it we have watched, but we didn't make it to the end yet. He does appear to be a nut. I like all the scenes where he makes his mom go out and be an extra, etc. Oh and the money schemes with his uncle. I haven't watched Coven yet.

n(I knew many fellows in my high school who probably ended up just like his unmotivated best friend)cs

Alex_de_Large · 04-21-2003, 09:46 PM

Tony and Duncan are looking a bit flat...

Of course, but for the Starbury miracle this weekend, this series would look very different (yeah, Thurgreed, it would be different...).

bilmore · 04-21-2003, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Are you really saying that because CNN -- in particular -- did not run everything it had on how Saddam and his regime terrorized, tortured, and killed his people over the last decade or so, that this led the rest of the world to doubt that he was doing these things?

No. I'm saying that, after forty-some years of hearing from the press about how they occupy this sacrosanct position in our Constitutionally-guided lives, I think CNN had a duty to not simply decide that otherwise majorly-news-worthy stories would be supressed by them simply for their own profit. If they claim the mantle of the Fifth Estate, they damned well better not unilaterally decide, not that I shouldn't know about something, but that they would profit more by keeping their knowledge from me. If they want constitutional protection, they need to accept the good and the bad of the role. Because, that's not what CNN did - they didn't play the role - every day that they presented the news, they were implicitly telling us that they were sharing with us everything important that they knew. Now, of course, we know better. CNN would look at important stories that had a direct bearing on our international relations, and decide that it would do better, financially, if it kept that knowledge from us.

Thus, from this point on, I will be marginally less willing to believe that the american press is giving me the whole story. After all, they might have some stock riding on a story somewhere, making it less advantageous for them to inform me.

evenodds · 04-21-2003, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
Tony and Duncan are looking a bit flat...

Of course, but for the Starbury miracle this weekend, this series would look very different (yeah, Thurgreed, it would be different...).

I am pleased with the play of Speedy Claxton (my current favorite name in hoops) and Steven Jackson.

But, it is only half-time, so we will have to see how it goes.

Even(it's playoff time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)Odds

greatwhitenorthchick · 04-21-2003, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Thus, from this point on, I will be marginally less willing to believe that the american press is giving me the whole story. After all, they might have some stock riding on a story somewhere, making it less advantageous for them to inform me.

Bilmore - Noam Chomsky's SP

(On another note - Damn Leafs)

Adder · 04-21-2003, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Someone forwarded this picture of yet another protest to me this weekend. If I were to protest, I think that this may be the sign I'd have to carry.

Is it just me or does the blad guy in the middle of look just like the little, fast-talking guy from The Princess Bride?

tmdiva · 04-21-2003, 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by Adder
Is it just me or does the blad guy in the middle of look just like the little, fast-talking guy from The Princess Bride?

Um, I thought that was the whole point? I also thought it was pretty clear that both Mr. Shawn and the text of the sign had been photoshopped in, but I'm open to correction on that one (he's not even the one holding that sign, either).

tm

Adder · 04-21-2003, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Moore is the worst kind of evil - he's a smart, calculating, lying kind of evil. That's worse than stupid evil any day - because he will fool so many otherwise intelligent people into holding as truth, in the back of their minds, the basic ideas that he had to edit so distortedly to present.

So he is kind of like Rush Limbaugh then??

Ad(no, I swear, Vince was murdered...)der