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Tyrone Slothrop · 10-13-2004, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
And why would we attack Indonesia? Their human rights record isn't very good but we have a good working relationship with their newly elected President. A far cry from the hopelessness of dealing with Saddam Hussein.

This explains it all. We shouldn't have attacked Iraq in the late 1980's when Saddam Hussein was murdering babies but we had a good relationship with him. We should have attacked him later when he was still murdering babies but our relationship had deteriorated. Thanks for the moral clarity!

SlaveNoMore · 10-13-2004, 05:25 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
And what do you think about the GOP firm that was registering Democrats in Nevada and destroying the forms? Shouldn't someone be going to jail? Usually it's the GOP who are all agitated about voter fraud.

If trus, yes, they should.

But the firm making the allegations has ties to ACORN, which has its own voter registrations scandals making the headlines.

Replaced_Texan · 10-13-2004, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Would it really hurt you that much to say that destroying voter registrations is a bad thing? Come on, this really isn't a tough one.

BTW, this wasn't lower level - this was a hired company, management ordered it to be done, and the whistle was blown by the lower levels.

Speaking of which, it's not just in Nevada. Arizona, Oregon, West Virginia, Pennsylvania

bilmore · 10-13-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Usually it's the GOP who are all agitated about voter fraud.

Why do you think that is? Are we just anal?

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-13-2004, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If trus, yes, they should.

But the firm making the allegations has ties to ACORN, which has its own voter registrations scandals making the headlines.

What firm? The story I saw was from a Las Vegas TV station (the local CBS affiliate -- uh oh), which broke the story after having a former employee bring them proof.

Shape Shifter · 10-13-2004, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
of course it's bad, and dumb. Tearing down signs is bad and dumb. throwing away the other side's materials is dumb and wrong. All wrong! and done in the squeakest clean campaigns across the country every time there is an election.

I'll admit to tearing down an opponent's signs once while placing signs for my candidate. I was a Republican at the time.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-13-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Why do you think that is? Are we just anal?

I think that most Republicans and Democrats are equally opposed to voter fraud, but that some Republicans use such allegations tactically as cover/in connection with efforts to suppress votes by predictably Democratic groups, like Native Americans in South Dakota and blacks in Florida. It's no secret that the GOP in those states (just to name two examples) would like to discourage turnout by those groups, and voter fraud becomes the pretext.

Diane_Keaton · 10-13-2004, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This explains it all. We shouldn't have attacked Iraq in the late 1980's when Saddam Hussein was murdering babies but we had a good relationship with him. We should have attacked him later when he was still murdering babies but our relationship had deteriorated. Thanks for the moral clarity!

The missing part being that we tried your beloved sanctions first before invading. Tell me again how much you liked the results of those sanctions, Ty. Or that as bad as they were, at least there were no "civilian war casualties", right? Much better to be a "sanctions casualty" than a "civilian war casualty." I'm sure the dead kids know the difference.

Hank Chinaski · 10-13-2004, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I'll admit to tearing down an opponent's signs once while placing signs for my candidate. I was a Republican at the time.

This is an unusually open statement from you. You usually keep your political beliefs close to the vest.

Do you have more or less sex toys in your box now compared to then?

SlaveNoMore · 10-13-2004, 05:44 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
What firm? The story I saw was from a Las Vegas TV station (the local CBS affiliate -- uh oh), which broke the story after having a former employee bring them proof.

I was confused a bit myself.

Ok, here is the link to the story

This is what is interesting:

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The focus of the story is a private registration company called Voters Outreach of America, AKA America Votes....

former employees of the company say that Voters Outreach of America only wanted Republican registrations.

However, look at America Votes. This organization is tied to every left-leaning group out there, including ACORN, which is accused of voter fraud in CO, OH and PA.

Something clearly ain't right - whatever it is.

SlaveNoMore · 10-13-2004, 05:45 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
...but that some Republicans use such allegations tactically as cover/in connection with efforts to suppress votes by predictably Democratic groups, like Native Americans in South Dakota and blacks in Florida.

Contrary to the assertions of some in the NAACP, attempts by the GOP to win more of the black vote is not the same as "suppression" of the black vote.

Say_hello_for_me · 10-13-2004, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Contrary to the assertions of some in the NAACP, attempts by the GOP to win more of the black vote is not the same as "suppression" of the black vote.

I was going to say this, except without the NAACP part. I think its more than just the NAACP trying to keep blacks shackled to the Democratic party.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-13-2004, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
The missing part being that we tried your beloved sanctions first before invading. Tell me again how much you liked the results of those sanctions, Ty. Or that as bad as they were, at least there were no "civilian war casualties", right? Much better to be a "sanctions casualty" than a "civilian war casualty." I'm sure the dead kids know the difference.

Sanctions are a shitty way of trying to change a regime. Haven't we proved that with Cuba and China? But they worked to keep Saddam from developing WMD. Some of us think that foreign policy is about our national security, and not just your rosy-eyed idealism. I think we should lift the sanctions on Cuba -- I take it you would invade?

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-13-2004, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Contrary to the assertions of some in the NAACP, attempts by the GOP to win more of the black vote is not the same as "suppression" of the black vote.

Maybe so, but that's not what I'm talking about either. I'm not even talking about clever media buys calculated to depress turnout among blacks.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 10-13-2004, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I was confused a bit myself.

Ok, here is the link to the story

This is what is interesting:

However, look at America Votes. This organization is tied to every left-leaning group out there, including ACORN, which is accused of voter fraud in CO, OH and PA.

Something clearly ain't right - whatever it is.

It's a different America Votes.

Hmmm. Republican operation registering voters but throwing out any that aren't Rs adopts tradename that is identical to that of one of the major coalitions doing voter registration. How are things in Denmark?