All Hank, all the time.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
In every neighborhood in the greater metro area?!?!?! Holy shit!!!! So I guess anyone with kids is basically having people sleep in the living room. Wow. That is really scary!!! Where do you all get teachers and police officers and stuff?

I can't believe you all don't know that you live in fantasy-land neighborhoods. At least I realize BH isn't the norm.

My area's nice, but nothing crazy. But your comment is also pretty unfair. I'm used to living in an area like this. I was raised like this, and frankly, I think its very middle class. The middle class is huge, and it includes people like me and you and probably most of this board. I know rich, and I ain't it. If I were, I wouldn't be a goddamned silly lawyer. Of my handful of friends I'd call "rich," none would get near this. "Rich lawyer" is in a sense an oxymoron (disregarding class action freaks with yachts). If you were born into or made serious money, why would ever do/remain doing something as unpalatable and dull as this?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Perhaps. More likely, they had made up their mind about what they wanted to do and had set to work to build public support for it. In either event, the public statement was misleading.

SEcond sentence is predicated on a big assumption without a real fact base to back it up.

As for misleading I disagree, unless there was intent. I think it was an actual statement of their good faith belief, notwithstanding the possibility that they were wrong. A good leader leads, and is willing to accept that sometimes making leadership decisions and not waffling, flip flopping or being beholden to opinion polls means that you might be wrong. Maybe they were, or maybe they weren't, either way they continue to prosecute the good fight. And I am thankful for that.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield


I've listened to the man and I find him shrill and naive. I applaud the grass roots effort's success. It's an example of our system's brilliance. Sadly, this is the wrong example, at the wrong time, lauded by people without the eyes or experience to realize they're winning the sort of battle which will ultimately lead them to lose the war.

1.5

How much did the "grass roots" effourt cost this country club silver spooned liberal of socialist descent?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
It's your party, what are you going to do when she is the candidate? What bilmoure, what?

I guess that depends on who's running against her, and maybe also who controls Congress. With a Democratic Congress, I'd be more likely to vote for a Republican President, and vice versa.

[Adder]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Are you talking median or mean?

And are we talking the Bay Area generally, or San Francisco, or even possibly Russian Hill?

Because looking around me, I'm thinking that I am, yes.

According the Census Bureau the median income for a family of two in 2004 for California was $53,503

This is obviously quite old, but in 1989 median household income for San Francisco was $40,494

Nationally, mean income by for the middle 60% ranged from $25,688 to 67,114 in 2001.

By which measure do you count as middle income?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't believe Michael Moore considers himself a Democrat, but I suppose you are more familiar with the man and his ouevre than anyone else here.

I never thought I would say this, but, Slave has my proxy on this one.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
As for misleading I disagree, unless there was intent. I think it was an actual statement of their good faith belief, notwithstanding the possibility that they were wrong. A good leader leads, and is willing to accept that sometimes making leadership decisions and not waffling, flip flopping or being beholden to opinion polls means that you might be wrong. Maybe they were, or maybe they weren't, either way they continue to prosecute the good fight. And I am thankful for that.

The CIA told them the information was no good. So there was no "good faith belief." They sourced it to the British for this reason. That shows an intent to mislead. This has nothing to do with being firm, or worrying about polls.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I never thought I would say this, but, Slave has my proxy on this one.

Two minutes on Google led me to The Smoking Gun, which says that Michael Moore claimed he's not a Democrat in 2004, though he registered as one twelve years earlier.

• Prior to last week's Washington, D.C. premiere of "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore denied that the new documentary represents his de facto endorsement of John Kerry. "I am an Independent," the filmmaker told reporters. "I'm not a member of the Democratic party."
  
  Which is not exactly correct.
  
  New York City Board of Elections records show that Moore, 50, registered to vote in Gotham in 1992, checking off "Democratic" as his party affiliation (below you'll find a copy of his original registration form). He listed his address as the swanky Upper West Side building where he owns a multimillion dollar condominium (Moore's office is on West 57th Street). The filmmaker's New York registration remains active, though he has not voted since an October 2001 Democratic runoff election.
  
  Now here's the good part: Moore is simultaneously registered to vote in Michigan, where registrants aren't even given the option of party affiliation (so he's not an Independent there either). According to Antrim County records, Moore registered last April from his lakefront spread in northern Michigan, where he reportedly splits his time, but has yet to vote in Michigan. He transferred his drivers license to Michigan from New York around the same time, though Moore has a Volkswagen Beetle registered from his Manhattan home.
  
  We're sure this is some kind of innocent mix-up, that Moore forgot to cancel his New York registration before signing up in Michigan.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
In every neighborhood in the greater metro area?!?!?! Holy shit!!!! So I guess anyone with kids is basically having people sleep in the living room. Wow. That is really scary!!! Where do you all get teachers and police officers and stuff?

I can't believe you all don't know that you live in fantasy-land neighborhoods. At least I realize BH isn't the norm.

I gave up this battle long ago. Trust me, they don't know and if they did they wouldn't care.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I gave up this battle long ago. Trust me, they don't know and if they did they wouldn't care.

Yeah, I know. I was in the mood to beat my head against a brick wall, I guess.

[SlaveNoMore]

Penske_Account
1.5

How much did the "grass roots" effourt cost this country club silver spooned liberal of socialist descent?

Despite all the grassroots crap, it's just another example of a non-politico with a lot of money buying himself an election (a la Corzine)

Lamont funded 60% of his campaign finances from his own pocket. To quote Ed Crane from Cato, "Without Ned, Ned loses"

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Adder
There is only one Republican in the race too, and Joe won't be getting party money from them either.

We shall see who is stupid, but he is in a left-leaning state, and will be trumpetting his progressive credential to try to get elected, so I wouldn't bet on him switching parties if he wins.

If it's a left leaning state why is the Governor and 3/5 of the Congressman Rs? They may be moderate/liberal Rs, but they are Rs. The state is not left-leaning as in solid D and my understanding is that there are plenty of Rell and/or Rowland Rs willing to toss Lieberman some campaign cash to keep Lamont out of power. I'll probably send ole Joe $500 or so, as thank you for his many years of principled public service (which is unusual for members of his party).

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Get that weak-ass shit out of here. Don't come all Spud Webb-like down the lane and think you can just lay it in the bucket with Dikembe Mutombo standing there.

.

Yo, I got game like Jesus Shuttleworth! Word!

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Do we have a military option in Iran?

Absolutely.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ironweed
Any others I might have missed?

Not really a war update, but did you hear about the Rove indictment?