Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I think your remorse is bullshit intended to appease, and that you don't really believe. Possibly you also just don't care, which is why you are willing to appease, but it's appeasement. I'm being handled. You are humoring me.

But when I get the chocolate, I'll be happy. Actually possibly you could buy me something expensive and non-edible, depending on where you are working.

Actually, I admitted getting a bit clocked by you. So the apology wasn't directed to you, really. You had me on some points, and I conceded.

The apology was because I realized I'd snapped and sank the board.

[Fair and Equitable]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
So I guess you love muslims after all. It's so hard to keep track....

Only the ones who help us kill terrorists. What's your standard?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This gave me chills:

• The London attacks have a special resonance for the American people — for America has no stronger or closer ally in the world than Great Britain. We are bound together by a common heritage, a common language and a deeply shared commitment to freedom. As President Bush indicated earlier this morning, the United States will stand with the British people with unflinching resolve.
  
  Though it is not yet known with certainty precisely who is responsible, we do know terrorists' intentions. They strike without warning and without regard for human life in the hope that they can frighten and intimidate free people — to change our way of life. And they won't stop until their side or our side has prevailed.
  
  But if these terrorists thought they could intimidate the people of a great nation, they picked the wrong people and the wrong nation. For generations, tyrants, fascists, and terrorists have sought to carry out their violent designs upon the British people only to founder upon its unrelenting shores.
  
  Before long, I suspect that those responsible for these acts will encounter British steel. Their kind of steel has an uncommon strength. It does not bend or break.
  
  The British have learned from history that this kind of evil must be confronted. It cannot be appeased. Our two countries understand well that once a people give in to terrorist's demands, whatever they are, their demands will grow.
  
  The British people are determined and resolute. And I know the people of the United States are proud to stand at their side.

Well, fuck it. Maybe it is time to just have it out and get it over with. Us vs. The Arabs. Winner take all. Cage match. Two men enter... Otherwise, this War on Terror is the only thing I'm going to read about in the papers until I die.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Fair and Equitable
Only the ones who help us kill terrorists. What's your standard?

It's pretty similar, actually. I wouldn't be out hugging a lot of Saudi princes, though.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Well, fuck it. Maybe it is time to just have it out and get it over with. Us vs. The Arabs. Winner take all.

2. I take back the Neville Chamberlain comment. All is 4given. :love:

Do you think we soften em up with conventional weapons before we nuke them or just go straight to the nukes?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
2. I take back the Neville Chamberlain comment. All is 4given. :love:

Do you think we soften em up with conventional weapons before we nuke them or just go straight to the nukes?

I said lets get it over with. Which part of that don't you understand?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I said lets get it over with. Which part of that don't you understand?

Should "lets" have an apostrophe?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I don't know anyone who has said that about Clinton. The beef many have with him is that he did not heed the warnings (e.g., declaration by OBL, embassy bombings, 94 WTC bombing, Cole, etc.) although Ty will sure say that he did everything he could under the circumstances. I don't agree with Ty.

Anyone who says he did not heed the warnings is ignorant, and should try reading some of the accounts of what happened. Anyone who reads those accounts will not say that Clinton did everything he could under the circumstances. He could have done more. Though judging the man by what we know after 9/11 is holding him to a standard that the same people are unwilling to apply to Bush. This stuff was a priority with Clinton; it wasn't with Bush until after 9/11.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Well, fuck it. Maybe it is time to just have it out and get it over with. Us vs. The Arabs. Winner take all. Cage match. Two men enter...

The conflict is between two different visions of Islam, and we're siding with one:

• These attacks were not just attacks on our closest ally, but on the very idea of Arab and Muslim integration into the West. Among the targets in the worst attack on London since World War II was the Edgware Road station, located in the heart of wealthy, assimilated Arab London. Middle Easterners of a variety of religions and South Asian Muslims are a substantial minority of the population in London, and the Edgware Road area is the pre-eminent Arab neighborhood in the city, with a fantastic variety of Lebanese coffee shops, Saudi grocery stores, and Persian restaurants. Some even call it "Little Lebanon," though the residents and shop clients come from all over the Middle East and North Africa, and the area especially attracts a young, hip crowd that compares it to Amman or Dubai. Edgware Road is Arab London's main street.

TAPPED

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This stuff was a priority with Clinton; .

Yes, and somewhere there is a camel who paid for it with a SCUD to the ass.

Not to mention the displaced baby aspirin factory workers.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Yes, and somewhere there is a camel who paid for it with a SCUD to the ass.

SCUDs are Soviet-made. Iraq had them. We use Tomahawks.

Surely an embarrassing mistake for a man of your sophistication about theses matters....

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Though judging the man by what we know after 9/11 is holding him to a standard that the same people are unwilling to apply to Bush. This stuff was a priority with Clinton; it wasn't with Bush until after 9/11.

I agree with the first sentence. I disagree with the second. Ty, you are far more read than I, but you often times take what you read as the gosphel. Richard Clarke and Bob Woodward are not the end all be all on the topic. The simple truth is that terrorism was not a priority for either of the administrations pre-9/11.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I agree with the first sentence. I disagree with the second. Ty, you are far more read than I, but you often times take what you read as the gosphel. Richard Clarke and Bob Woodward are not the end all be all on the topic. The simple truth is that terrorism was not a priority for either of the administrations pre-9/11.

Woodward relied extensively on interviews with the administration. Did they lie to him too?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I agree with the first sentence. I disagree with the second. Ty, you are far more read than I, but you often times take what you read as the gosphel. Richard Clarke and Bob Woodward are not the end all be all on the topic. The simple truth is that terrorism was not a priority for either of the administrations pre-9/11.

Richard Clarke was the nation's senior counterterrorism official under both Clinton and Bush, so if you want to ignore his account of what happened, you'd better have some serious authority. Clinton was personally involved with Clarke's job in a way that Bush was not. Because of the bureaucratic design of our government, Clarke often ran into obstacles presented by other parts of the government doing their own thing. Clarke's relationship with Clinton and other senior officials helped him get around these, sometimes. When Bush came in, Clarke was demoted, reducing his effectiveness. This was done because Bush had other priorities, like missile defense. This is why nothing happened with Clarke's recommendation between when Bush took office and 9/11.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This stuff was a priority with Clinton;

there were at least 4 major attacks while he was President. They were planned from the safety of the Soveirgn state of Afghanistan. Even accepting your dogma, Clinton's "plan" was to tell Bush to take out Afghanistan.

The american people will decide who can be trusted over the next 20 years. Wanna make the same bet in 2008?