A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It's interesting to see you imputing all sorts of unpleasant thoughts to me simply because I pointed out that you and Hank were saying things that were borderline offensive.

What's offensive is denying that the Dems, who control urban America, use racism and oppression to deprive the right to freely vote to the poor and downtrodden peoples of the underclass of the inner city. Why do you think its offensive to call out such crimes against humanity and other abuses of power?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Funny how it's so easy for you to figure out, but they keep falling for it. You'll have to explain that to me sometime.

Ty, if the people in power want to abuse that power to contrive a result it has nothing to do with the capacity of the victim one way or another.

Ever hear of driving while black? Oddly enough, its never happened to me and probably never happened to you, and thus, viewed solely through our lens of contrived societal faux racial privilege it seems like an impossible concept outside of some rural hick town run by Sheriff Andy Taylor's racist evil doppelganger, and yet, I hear of it and actually witness it with surprising frequency in the liberal enclave of Seattle, which is similar to what I experienced working legal aide in Chicago, another Democrat controlled metropolis. You think decades of racism of such kind, where the mass of middle and upper middle class and beyond denies it even exists doesnt' have an affect?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
What's offensive is denying that the Dems, who control urban America, use racism and oppression to deprive the right to freely vote to the poor and downtrodden peoples of the underclass of the inner city. Why do you think its offensive to call out such crimes against humanity and other abuses of power?

You're changing the subject. You and Hank were talking about how poor blacks vote, not what other people do to oppress them. I can understand why you keep changing the subject, but I think it's pretty shitty of you to say that I'm the one who was spouting offensive crap. Go ahead and drop it -- I'm not the one keeping the subject alive.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You're changing the subject. You and Hank were talking about how poor blacks vote, not what other people do to oppress them. I can understand why you keep changing the subject, but I think it's pretty shitty of you to say that I'm the one who was spouting offensive crap. Go ahead and drop it -- I'm not the one keeping the subject alive.

And again, its not a question of how they "choose" vote as a group, its the issue of how the Dems racist oppression denies poor inner city people (especially those susceptible to racism) the right to vote freely. You say, no big deal, its America, just vote freely. Unfortiunately for those disenfranchised by the dEms racism, explicitly or implicitly, it doestnt work out that nicely.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Ty, if the people in power want to abuse that power to contrive a result it has nothing to do with the capacity of the victim one way or another.

You should tell Hank. He's the one who was asking why blacks vote the way they do. Your answer is that they don't really vote for Democrats, but there's a big conspiracy to subsitute fake voting totals.

Ever hear of driving while black?

To the extent that you're implying that I haven't, or dispute the phenomenom, you can kiss my ass. If you think I've posted anything today -- or ever -- to the contrary, quote me. Otherwise, find some other way to change the subject. Post photoshopped pictures of Ted Kennedy or HRC or something.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And again, its not a question of how they "choose" vote as a group....

Actually, that was Hank's question, and it was the gist of your first post (that I responded to, anyway [eta: your second post; the first was "plantation politics"]) on this subject:

Originally posted by Hank in #2886
outside of racial fear mongoring how do you explain the way the Dems get something like 90% of the vote in black inner cities?

Originally posted by Penske in #2893
I live in the area in a neighbourhood where the majority of people are of colour, and my experience from candidate forums, town halls etal, is that the Dems employ racial fear mongering.

'Nuff said.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You should tell Hank. He's the one who was asking why blacks vote the way they do. Your answer is that they don't really vote for Democrats, but there's a big conspiracy to subsitute fake voting totals.

Its not substitution, its using oppressive racism to affect the outcome. Much in the same way Chicago's finest used a gun to deny my client his right to counsel.

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop



To the extent that you're implying that I haven't, or dispute the phenomenom, you can kiss my ass. If you think I've posted anything today -- or ever -- to the contrary, quote me. Otherwise, find some other way to change the subject. Post photoshopped pictures of Ted Kennedy or HRC or something.

Your inability to admit that rampant racism perpetuated by governement institutions exists in Demo controlled Urban Amerika is implication enough. My follow up question remains, what affect does decades of such racism and oppression, which is then denied or constructively ignored by the masses of white urban faux intellectial elitist liberals who help put the Dems in power, have on the underclass of the innercity and isn't possible that the Dems use such oppression to manipulate votes?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Your inability to admit that rampant racism perpetuated by governement institutions exists in Demo controlled Urban Amerika is implication enough. My follow up question remains, what affect does decades of such racism and oppression, which is then denied or constructively ignored by the masses of white urban faux intellectial elitist liberals who help put the Dems in power, have on the underclass of the innercity and isn't possible that the Dems use such oppression to manipulate votes?

My supple, muscular ass is here, waiting for your kiss.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Actually, that was Hank's question, and it was the gist of your first post (that I responded to, anyway [eta: your second post; the first was "plantation politics"]) on this subject:





'Nuff said.

Accusing the dems of racial fear mongering is no commentary on the people its used upon. Its a criticism of the user. Fear is a powerful motivator. I believe in the constitution, but at 2 AM in a precint house in South Chicago when its me and three cops and one has a gun pointed at me and the other two have their arms crossed, my belief waivers a little. Sure I could have stood up to them and gotten killed, but the revisionist history is such that there would have been no productive affect other than a limited boost to the funeral industry. For the poor in the inner city I don't know that the choice is made any less starkly.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
My supple, muscular ass is here, waiting for your kiss.

Notwithstanding that I get the sense that you have office arse, I will take this as the functional equivalent of a PB Alford Plea and chalk up a victory for myself and an assist for Hank.

Hank, what's the score?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Notwithstanding that I get the sense that you have office arse, I will take this as the functional equivalent of a PB Alford Plea and chalk up a victory for myself and an assist for Hank.

You keep score like Cook County counts votes.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You keep score like Cook County counts votes.

Our victoury notwithstanding, it's like salt in the wound that you gleefully admit the cause but deny the affect.

[Spanky]

RT - what do you think of this plan?


Gov. seeks sweeping health system reforms
By Jordan Rau, Times Staff Writer
3:09 PM PST, January 8, 2007

SACRAMENTO -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger today proposed upending just about every portion of the healthcare industry in one of the country's most elaborate efforts at holding down medical costs and expanding insurance to those who don't have it.

Schwarzenegger's plan, which he publicly unveiled at noon, would require employers with 10 workers or more to buy insurance for their workers or pay a fee of 4% of their payroll into a program to help provide coverage for the uninsured.

Schwarzenegger would tax doctors 2% of their gross revenue and place a 4% tax on hospitals. He campaigned for reelection on an anti-tax platform, but his administration argues that so many more people would have insurance that medical providers would make more money.

The governor also wants to ban insurers from refusing to offer coverage to some individuals because of their prior medical conditions. Insurers would also have to spend at least 85% of their premium revenues on patient care, a move that would limit the amount companies spend on administrative costs and profits.

In an effort to cover all Californian children, including ones in the state illegally, Schwarzenegger's plan would expand the state's Healthy Families program, providing insurance to children whose parents make less than three times the poverty level. That works out to about $60,000 for a family of four.

And Schwarzenegger said his plan would require every Californian to have health insurance.

"If you can't afford it, the state will help you buy it," he said, "but you must be insured."

Schwarzenegger called the delivery and payment of healthcare in California "disastrous," noting that nearly 1 in 5 residents is uninsured.

"The problem with that is, of course, that the rest of the people who have insurance pay for them," said the governor. "Those that are fortunate enough to have coverage — we are paying a hidden tax."

Schwarzenegger spoke by satellite from Los Angeles. Doctors treating his broken leg have ordered him not to fly more than once a week. The governor will fly to Sacramento on Tuesday to deliver his annual State of the State address.

All of these ideas are sure to engender opposition from the healthcare industry and their allies in the Legislature, which must approve any plan before it becomes law.

Anticipating a hostile reaction to his plan from many quarters, Schwarzenegger said that although it appears that some people lose and others win under this proposal, in fact the whole system would benefit.

"Everyone has been left here with a better deal," he said.

But Republican lawmakers and business groups have long argued against additional requirements on employers.

Two hours before Schwarzenegger unveiled his plan, Assembly Republican Leader Mike Villines (R-Clovis) joined with a trio of small business owners in a Thai restaurant a few blocks from the Capitol to announce that his caucus will resist any plan that places a mandate on employers. He called such mandates a "job tax," and stood at a podium alongside a large poster with those words circled and crossed through in red.

"If we put any form of mandate on a business, we are seeing a jobs tax," he said. "This isn't a philosophical discussion. This is a jobs discussion. This is the difference between employees having a job and a jobs tax that says no to that."

The governor's plan matches some elements of proposals put forth last month by the Legislature's top two Democrats. All plans build on an existing system, in which 71% of California employers offer workers health insurance.

All plans also include a "pay or play" element by which employers who don't offer health benefits must pay a fee to a state agency that would then negotiate with private insurers for worker coverage.

Last month, Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata (D-Oakland) proposed taxing workers and employers to cover an estimated 4.2 million of 6 million uninsured Californians, with a requirement that all employers — even those with a single employee — offer health insurance or pay the state a percentage of payroll. Perata would also require workers to prove when they pay taxes that they have health insurance.

The plan of Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez (D-Los Angeles) would not force workers to show they have health insurance. He would exempt businesses with less than two workers, those with a payroll less than $100,000 and firms less than three years old.

This afternoon, Nunez called Schwarzenegger's plan "pretty much in sync with the proposal I laid out in December." He also called it "a good start."

Schwarzenegger agrees with Assembly Democrats, Nunez said, on many areas, including giving all California children health insurance, requiring insurers to accept all people regardless of their health status and requiring employers to either offer health benefits or help pay the cost of extending it to their workers.

"When it's all said and done, employers in California will pay a portion of their payroll deductions toward the cost of insuring their employees," said Nunez. "That will happen."

The speaker said the governor's plan could pass the Legislature on a simple-majority vote, which would not require any Republican support.

Republican lawmakers, who are a minority in the Assembly and Senate, have a seat at the table, Nunez said. But they are out of touch with mainstream Californians, he said, when they insist that children in the country illegally get no state-assisted health insurance. And they are wrong, Nunez said, in characterizing the governor's plan as a new tax.

"I don't think . . . that the governor and the Democratic Legislature ought to roll over or steamroll the Republicans in this process," said Nunez. "But I think we need to have an honest discussion about what's a real mandate and what's not a real mandate.

"The mandate is a hidden tax of $1,200 that each of us has to pay because there are employers out there who would rather increase that rate of profit and put it in their pocket than to pay a portion of the healthcare costs of their employees," Nunez said. "That's a tax."

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky

OFF TOPIC STUFF

Spanky,

Damnit! We are discussing the oppressive racism of the urban faux-intellectually elitist Dems and the affect of the same on perversely and inhumanely manipulating the votes of the poor underclasses of the inner cities of Amerika to perpetuate the Dems Plantation Style Politics.

Stay. on. topic.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It's funny to hear you spout crap so different from your usual crap.

How is this crap different? Seems the same to me.

Not sure why you talk to him, actually.