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Old 12-12-2003, 12:09 PM   #2956
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Anybody catch the 3 city protect in Iraq yesterday (or the day before, can't remember)? They were marching IN FAVOR of reconstruction and AGAINST terrorism.
No and that goes to show you how biased the news is. All you ever hear about are the Sunni's who profited under SH and are angry that they have been displaced out of power.
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Old 12-12-2003, 12:11 PM   #2957
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No and that goes to show you how biased the news is. All you ever hear about are the Sunni's who profited under SH and are angry that they have been displaced out of power.
All factions including the Sunni's took part. I saw it on FNC, but will try to find a cite.
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I've been thinking the same thing on Jeb. It would be a disaster if he ran. Amercians don't want a monarchy.
Yes, and that is exactly what it would seem like. However, who are the potential Republican candidates for 2008?
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Yes, and that is exactly what it would seem like. However, who are the potential Republican candidates for 2008?
I've heard Frisk, Condi, and Guiliani mentioned. Guilliani would be great but I'm not sure he could get the nomination.

If not rudi, I'd prefer to look at governors, maybe Pitacki.
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I've heard Frisk, Condi, and Guiliani mentioned. Guilliani would be great but I'm not sure he could get the nomination.

If not rudi, I'd prefer to look at governors, maybe Pitacki.
You'll also start seeing Senators being more prominent beginning around '05.
Engler is still young enough, I think.
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Old 12-12-2003, 12:34 PM   #2961
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I've heard Frisk, Condi, and Guiliani mentioned. Guilliani would be great but I'm not sure he could get the nomination.

If not rudi, I'd prefer to look at governors, maybe Pitacki.
Frist just seems too effeminate to me. Not as effeminate as say Carter, or anything like that, but too effeminate to be Prez.
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Not as effeminate as say Carter,
How was Carter effeminate? Mediocre to semi-bad president, perhaps the worst ex-president combined with the longevity; sure. Effeminate? I just don't see that. nttawwt
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How was Carter effeminate? Mediocre to semi-bad president, perhaps the worst ex-president combined with the longevity; sure. Effeminate? I just don't see that. nttawwt
Yea, hard to call an Annapolis grad effeminate.
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Cite please.
there is a Washington Post article on this very subject today Pages A1 and A40-- which we covered extensively yesterday.

Let's review the bidding:

To club, and all who said the contracts policy was a negotiating ploy -- not if you believe our President:

"But Bush was unyielding in defending the policy. 'It's very simple', Bush told reporters after a Cabinet meeting. 'Our people risked their lives. Friendly coalition folks risked their lives, and therefore the contracting is going to reflect that, and that's what the U.S. taxpayers expect.'

"Bush said even a decision by countries such as france and Germany to forgive Iraqi debt would not enable them to compete for contracts in Iraq."

[Me: This reasoning breaks down when you consider that most eligible countries did NOT send troops to Iraq. I will not reiterate my criticisms of yesterday, but I think it's a fifth-grade playground approach to policy.]

However, Bush's spokesperson hinted that negotiation was possible: McClellan: "'If countries want to join our efforts in Iraq,' he said 'circumstances can change, and we'll make that very clear.'"

[Me: So, this is just a clumsy and humiliating public attempt at bribery?]

After all, this "principle" only goes so far -- as the article noted that Bush has indeed phoned up Chretien and said that he would take steps to exempt Canada from the policy.

Aapparently, this sudden policy announcement -- Wolfowitz wrote the memo -- is even more puzzling to GOP congressional leaders given that the White House twice insisted this year on removing similar provisions from proposed legislation(i.e. that would have barred French, German, and Russian companies from bidding on U.S.-let contracts in Iraq).

I so rarely agree completely with Sen. Bill Frist and/or Bill Kristrol/Robert Kagan, that I will celebrate by quoting them all:

Frist [Yesterday on CNBC's "Capital Report"]:

"'We have to remember that many of these countries that are being denied these contracts are supporting us elsewhere in the world, maybe fighting HIV-AIDS in Africa, maybe in Afghanistan, and that's why I hope there'll be some moderation of this policy as we go forward.'

"Frist, who was not told in advance about the contracts policy, said he 'expressed his concern' to the Bush Administration."


Kristol/Kagan [in a memo circulated yesterday]:

"A truly wise American administration would have opened the bidding to all comers, regardless of their opposition to the war -- as a way of buying those countries into the Iraq effort, building a little goodwill for the future and demonstrating to the world a little magnaminity. But instead of being smart, clever or magnanimous, the Bush administration has done a dumb thing."

James Hoge [editor of Foreign Affairs magazine]:

"If we ever wanted to ensure that the operation in Iraq will be an all-American show, this has done it. It's mystifying at a time it seemed the Bush administration was moderating some of its tougher rhetoric and looking to patch up the transatlantic relationship -- and then this. It's one more mark of inconsistency to crop up in Bush foreign policy at an inopportune time."

I hope that Hoge is wrong about the effect. It just seems very clear that the DoD folks have no concept of how to coopt people rather than to coerce them. And Bush let's them run wild.

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Old 12-12-2003, 12:48 PM   #2965
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How was Carter effeminate? Mediocre to semi-bad president, perhaps the worst ex-president combined with the longevity; sure. Effeminate? I just don't see that. nttawwt
His mannerisms are what make me feel this way.

Perhaps it is just a girl thing, but assuming he were closer in age to me, he is the kind of guy who I would be friends with but never date.
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That's how I understand it as well.
Its from PBS -- so you know its right.

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Old 12-12-2003, 12:51 PM   #2967
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Yea, hard to call an Annapolis grad effeminate.
The fact that someone went to Annapolis doesn't mean that their mannerisms aren't effeminate. You know, there are even women graduates of Annapolis (although admittedly, they tend to be pretty butch).
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Its from PBS -- so you know its right.
Now you're just baiting.
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It just seems very clear that the DoD folks have no concept of how to coopt people rather than to coerce them. And Bush let's them run wild.
I think I buy more into the view that Baker's just been handed a bigger stick in the debt-relief or more-help campaign. We've already let Canada back in, so it's obvious this isn't a non-negotiable item. Look at the ruling itself- it only affects prime contracting. The main French and German companies who could bid on this stuff most all have subsids in Coalition countries. They can bid, and then bid back down to their parent companies in the homelands - no prohibition on that. No, this is for effect - screw with us, and see consequences - but the consequences are more for show, and possibly specifically for the big political contributors in France and Germany who have an interest in contracting in Iraq. Think this kind of shot across a bow will put any pressure on the internal politics of those countries? I do.
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Old 12-12-2003, 01:29 PM   #2970
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I've heard Frisk, Condi, and Guiliani mentioned. Guilliani would be great but I'm not sure he could get the nomination.

If not rudi, I'd prefer to look at governors, maybe Pitacki.
I think a Frisk/Pitacki ticket would be great. Guilliani can be sec. state.
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