All Hank, all the time. - Page 198

Spanky · 08-09-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
and I don't want to pay for anyone's health care, social services,

You are more conservative than I am. What is wrong with a safety net?

Adder · 08-09-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Maybe he believes in the principle of principled government? Or freedom? Or supporting our commander in chief during wartime? Or the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state? If so, he owes it to the country and to history to retain his seat, because the Dems don't believe in any of those principles.

Or maybe he plans to caucus with the Dems anyway so he won't be hurting his party's shot a majority anyway.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-09-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Maybe he believes in the principle of principled government? Or freedom? Or supporting our commander in chief during wartime? Or the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state? If so, he owes it to the country and to history to retain his seat, because the Dems don't believe in any of those principles.

Maybe he is opposed to obesity, America-hating and child molestation, in which case he should not be helping the GOP, the party of obesity, America-hating and child molestation.

Spanky · 08-09-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Adder
Why would anyone care if he counts cards?

And I have never understood how card counting could remotely be called cheating.

Because it costs the Casinos money, and they provide the tax base.

In all seriousness, I know exactly what you mean. It seems crazy that the act of counting could be seen as cheating or even illegal.

Hank Chinaski · 08-09-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
The British are our allies. It is a special relationship. Why do you hate the Brits? Why do you hate our allies? All the admin was doing was attempting to get the most info possible, doing its diligence, as the kids say, just in case the CIA dropped the ball, like on 911, although in fairness that was mostly due to Clinton's evisceration the Agency during his 8 years of denigrating the office of the President. And the Gorelick wall, of course.

I don't get why Ty keeps on this. my juan the marine sock was based upon several false premises- my father is not a migrant as an example- yet when Juan went to war with essentially the entirety of the greedy canada board Penske and other right thinking american socks did not ask "Hank, did lies about Juan get you into this war?" no. they supported our Juan in his fight with the foreigners.

I for one thank him, and i think you all should to.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-09-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
The article is a long way of saying that the person does not like Liebermans positions. He is trying to say that because he does not like the guys positions he can't be courageous. People from one political stripe to another don't like to call the enemy courageous, even when they are. That is what cost Bill Maher is job. Suicide bombers are courageous (stupid, misguided and evil - but courageous). Lieberman has been courageous.

Not every unpopular position is courageous. When Lieberman initially staked out his position supporting the President and the war, it was anything but courageous. He was swimming with a very strong tide behind him. When the tide changed, he got pulled out to sea. That's willfulness and shortsightedness, not courage.

Spanky · 08-09-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Let's be clear: I am not a Hillary fan, for a variety of reasons. So while you keep playing this game of Clinton gotcha, you're the only one on the field. But if keeping score of those goals makes you happy, go nuts.

There is a strong chance she will be our next President, so you has better get used to her.

Penske_Account · 08-09-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Adder
Or maybe he plans to caucus with the Dems anyway so he won't be hurting his party's shot a majority anyway.

That's typical of what someone with no principles would say.

Spanky · 08-09-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Actually, it appears your party's big guns are already on the case:

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Friends,

Let the resounding defeat of Senator Joe Lieberman send a cold shiver down the spine of every Democrat who supported the invasion of Iraq and who continues to support, in any way, this senseless, immoral, unwinnable war. Make no mistake about it: We, the majority of Americans, want this war ended — and we will actively work to defeat each and every one of you who does not support an immediate end to this war.

Nearly every Democrat set to run for president in 2008 is responsible for this war. They voted for it or they supported it. That single, stupid decision has cost us 2,592 American lives and tens of thousands of Iraqi lives. Lieberman and Company made a colossal mistake — and we are going to make sure they pay for that mistake. Payback time started last night.

I realize that there are those like Kerry and Edwards who have now changed their position and are strongly anti-war. Perhaps that switch will be enough for some to support them. For others, like me — while I'm glad they've seen the light — their massive error in judgment is, sadly, proof that they are not fit for the job. They sided with Bush, and for that, they may never enter the promised land.

To Hillary, our first best hope for a woman to become president, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you continue to support Bush and his war. I'm sure someone has advised you that a woman can't be elected unless she proves she can kick ass just as crazy as any man. I'm here to tell you that you will never make it through the Democratic primaries unless you start now by strongly opposing the war. It is your only hope. You and Joe have been Bush's biggest Democratic supporters of the war. Last night's voter revolt took place just a few miles from your home in Chappaqua. Did you hear the noise? Can you read the writing on the wall?

To every Democratic Senator and Congressman who continues to back Bush's War, allow me to inform you that your days in elective office are now numbered. Myself and tens of millions of citizens are going to work hard to actively remove you from any position of power.

If you don't believe us, give Joe a call.

Yours,
Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com
www.michaelmoore.com
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Thank you Michael Moore. He is the best friends the Republicans have right now. The idiots in your own party can do much more damage than the enemy ever can.

Sidd Finch · 08-09-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
It's your party, what are you going to do when she is the candidate? What bilmoure, what?

Weep.

SlaveNoMore · 08-09-2006, 05:08 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
If all that were true, and if you set aside Penske's view that he's a shoe-in for the general election, it might be considered courageous. But that's not Joe. Joe never thought he was vulnerable from the left. He thought he was presidential material in 2004. He hasn't had a hard election since 1988. It's pretty apparent that he never took Lamont seriously, and never thought he'd have to run for the seat. The most obvious evidence of this is that he never bothered to set up a GOTV ground operation, and then had to scramble at the last minute to pay people to do what other campaigns have volunteers do. He was taking it all for granted.

Isn't is great that the first casualty of the Moore, Moveon.org and Kos uprising was that of an incumbent, party-line Democrat?

Sidd Finch · 08-09-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Despite all the grassroots crap, it's just another example of a non-politico with a lot of money buying himself an election (a la Corzine)

Lamont funded 60% of his campaign finances from his own pocket. To quote Ed Crane from Cato, "Without Ned, Ned loses"

How many people can you identify who have run in a primary against an incumbent Senator without financing most of their own campaign?

Gattigap · 08-09-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Isn't is great that the first casualty of the Moore, Moveon.org and Kos uprising was that of an incumbent, party-line Democrat?

Awww. Did Kos not let you post that in the comments section? Have you tried MyDD yet?

Sidd Finch · 08-09-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Absolutely.

With whose soldiers?

I realize that Bush and Rummy have demonstrated to everyone that the US military under their leadership is invincible.

But it is also very busy at the moment. Please try back in six da...wee....mon...years. Maybe.

Penske_Account · 08-09-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I don't get why Ty keeps on this. my juan the marine sock was based upon several false premises- my father is not a migrant as an example- yet when Juan went to war with essentially the entirety of the greedy canada board Penske and other right thinking american socks did not ask "Hank, did lies about Juan get you into this war?" no. they supported our Juan in his fight with the foreigners.

I for one thank him, and i think you all should to.

It would have been nice (and principled) if some of the admins here had protected the intellectual property rights of certain posters, such that Juan could be with us today [sniff]