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[taxwonk]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I think that's a statement against interest, and I only think that because I watch a lot of Law and Order.

It is a statement against interest, as defined in the FRE, although the despcription uses language essentially the same as that quoted by Penske.

The distinction dtb is noting is the exclusion of a formal party admission, i.e., in a pleading or a Request to Admit, which is not hearsay at all, and furthermore, cannot be impeached by the party against whom it is invoked.

[ABBAKiss]

I thought I would grace you with the latest from the hot 22-year old:

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I have a new job at a pizzeria with mostly mexican workers there cool, and i can practice my sp[anish. im almost done with school, and just working hard at all of it. Send me some porn pictures. ok talk to you later.

andrew

I LOVE GETTING EMAILS FROM HIM!!!!!!!!

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by dtb
Not in my family. My grandfather worked for Ford. Not Fords.

My grandmother and I would meet him for lunch downtown (downtown Motown) sometimes, and we would have Vernors floats for dessert. (Vernors and vanilla ice cream.)

Now that you mention it, though, I do refer to Talbots as "The Talbots" for some strange reason. You could have knocked me over with a feather when someone pointed out to me that there is no "The" in front of the word Talbots in the name of the store.

(don't tell me it's Talbot and I've been adding an "s" or I'll plotz)

There's a Talbots near here and I pass it a fair amount. Are those clothes women wear when they don't want men to look at them? It struck me as a sort of Brooks Bros of women's clothing, like what George Will would dress in if he had breasts.

I may be repeating this observation. I'm having deja vu.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Asumes the mistake corrected is a one-off or rarity. You can hope to remedy a discrete problem, but random friendly reminders won't make up for a misspent youth in which proper grammar wasn't learned. For that, the speaker has to take it upon themselves to basically retrain themselves entirely from scratch - think through every single thing they say before they say it, and not say it (until they go back and check) if they aren't sure. With any luck, that will reduce errors back to a relative rarity, making the odd friendly clarification something more than a whisper into a hurricane.

We are not talking about spending our entire day correcting people who have no ability to construct a sentence. We are (or at least I am) talking about someone who may consistently make the same few mistakes. And a friend who says "for all intensive purposes" or misuses the word "ironic" may appreciate being told that they are making a mistake. As I said, I know I would.

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
If subtle correction is unnoticed or ignored, that seems to imply that the corrections are unsolicited. In which case, see prior comments on trying to correct adults.

Very interesting. Your answer to my disagreement with you is to attempt to try to pull me back into your world of the "well-mannered" gentry, where only you (and maybe Not Bob) live. I don't think so.

To be sure, few people walk around asking others to correct them. But for those of us comfortable with being told that they are making a mistake, pointing something out is as welcome as a friend privately telling you to scrape the spinach off of your teeth.

TM

[dtb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
So you're only half Jewish?

so he was white collar. I don't know how those people talk.

And d, Vernors (isn't it Vernor's? Ironic?) and vanilla ice cream is a Boston Cooler, not a Vernors float. Was this rude, or helpful?

You know, I almost asked (in a parenthetical remark, natch) whether it was Vernors or Vernor's, but I decided to wing it. THAT was helpful.

Many thanks, #1 friend.

The Boston Cooler thing? Not so helpful. Who ever heard of a Boston Cooler? I will stick with my 3d-generation-Detroiter grandmother's vernacular.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by taxwonk
It is a statement against interest, as defined in the FRE, although the despcription uses language essentially the same as that quoted by Penske.

The distinction dtb is noting is the exclusion of a formal party admission, i.e., in a pleading or a Request to Admit, which is not hearsay at all, and furthermore, cannot be impeached by the party against whom it is invoked.

You need to look at porn for a half hour.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
They may be mispronouncing the inlet where they work. Otherwise, I think you mean "Ford's."

look, during all your constant yelping about how ignorant Philly people are, I've sat quietly. But just so you know, people around here are way more ignorant. Don't be trying to ascribe rules of communication to them.

It may stem from it previously being "Henry Ford's company."

"I got a job."
"Where?"
"Down to Henry Ford's"

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Most of that sort of stuff can be totally unconscious. It was pointed out to me recently that I say "It's interesting that... " or "It's funny that..." before sentences that should be interesting or funny without don't need the intro alot. It's apparently only in speech. I rarely do it in writing. I'm a little more aware of it now, but I had absolutely no idea it was a verbal tic that annoys the crap out of people (or at least the person who pointed it out to me) until it was brought to my attention. I've since tried to work on it, but I often forget about it.

My favorite is "To be perfectly honest..."

"So the rest of what you said was...?"

[Mr. Man]

Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Not that this doesn't make my head hurt, but I think that this is, in some cases, a Midwestern-ism. I know many people (midwesterners all) who do read quite a lot who will refer to, for example, Nordstrom as "Nordstrom's" (I presume the ', to maintain some bit of sanity on the subject). I believe that it results from a feeling that all stores that seem to contain a person's name should take a possessive form--e.g. Marshall Field(proper name)= Marshall Field's.

Agreed. By far the one I have seen most is Ruth's Chris Steak House (a la "Ruth Chris's"). Ruth Fertel bought the Chris Steak House and kept the name for branding purposes. Nordstrom comes in second in my informal poll, followed by Brook"s" Mays (industry-specific however).

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by nononono
It's both. :-( And this particular person is always in front of people, making pitches, presentations, etc. Engaging person, but you just know this stuff, if the listener hears it enough to realize it wasn't just a slip of the tongue, is going to be less-than-helpful in establishing credibility.

My uncle used to use "literally"* as a way to draw attention to whatever point he was making. Example: "I was speaking in front of the company's investors and there were LIHtrally one million eyes on me." He is a very educated man who picked up a bad habit. I let him know (not entirely privately, but in front of family because that's how we do) that he was mistaken and had been mistaken way too often for me to let it go. Now, I give him shit about it as often as I can by using the word around him the same way all the time. But that's family, so it doesn't really count.

Recently, I also had to keep my best friend from using "At the end of the day" before he drew any conclusion in any sentence. He had no idea he was using it so often and thought he sounded like an idiot each time he caught himself using it.

TM

*And he'd pronounce it "LIHtrally" due to too much of that overseas livin'.

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
There's a Talbots near here and I pass it a fair amount. Are those clothes women wear when they don't want men to look at them? It struck me as a sort of Brooks Bros of women's clothing, like what George Will would dress in if he had breasts.

I may be repeating this observation. I'm having deja vu.

Talbots has well cut, classic, conservative clothes that border on old lady. When a woman goes there she has to be careful that the clothes she selects are not dumpy. that being said, you can find some well made clothes that last years. I have stuff from there older than our oldest son he's 8

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
look, during all your constant yelping about how ignorant Philly people are, I've sat quietly. But just so you know, people around here are way more ignorant. Don't be trying to ascribe rules of communication to them.

It may stem from it previously being "Henry Ford's company."

"I got a job."
"Where?"
"Down to Henry Ford's"

I was trying to out you as a Swede.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Not that this doesn't make my head hurt, but I think that this is, in some cases, a Midwestern-ism. I know many people (midwesterners all) who do read quite a lot who will refer to, for example, Nordstrom as "Nordstrom's" (I presume the ', to maintain some bit of sanity on the subject). I believe that it results from a feeling that all stores that seem to contain a person's name should take a possessive form--e.g. Marshall Field(proper name)= Marshall Field's.

Perhaps they are all secretly British.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Most of that sort of stuff can be totally unconscious. It was pointed out to me recently that I say "It's interesting that... " or "It's funny that..." before sentences that should be interesting or funny without don't need the intro alot. It's apparently only in speech. I rarely do it in writing. I'm a little more aware of it now, but I had absolutely no idea it was a verbal tic that annoys the crap out of people (or at least the person who pointed it out to me) until it was brought to my attention. I've since tried to work on it, but I often forget about it.

The annoying secretary who sits outside of my office constantly says (on her seemingly unending personal phone calls (even though she is always so incredibly busy!)) "d'ya know what I mean?" She'll tell a story and then end it with "d'ya know what I mean?" I don't even know how that phrase works as she uses it, so maybe I don't know what she means.

This doesn't bother me at all. Can you tell?

[Sparklehorse]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
My favorite is "To be perfectly honest..."

"So the rest of what you said was...?"

I always assume that it's an unconscious cue that the next phrase is, in fact, not honest, rather than whatever else was said.

The last time I clearly remember telling someone "I honestly..." it was in fact not honest; I was lying.