Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Even if he was, he had the presence of mind not to call it thus. You, however, did not. And you're a lawyer.

See, you don't get at all what I was saying. My point was never that he was in fact defending the first amendment. Just that he thought he was. From what he said, he clearly thought he was.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I suspect the framers of the First Amendment did not believe that it gave us all the right to prevent someone from speaking by shouting them down. Nor did this get read into the Constitution in the last century. Holmes said the First Amendment does not give you the right to shout "fire" at a crowded Dean rally, and I think he would have not come out differently had the hypothetical involved LaRouche ravings instead.

Not Me, a funny twist now would be to analogize Ty's editing of your posts to "government action." Within the world that is this, Ty is the Man.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Me
See, you don't get at all what I was saying. My point was never that he was in fact defending the first amendment. Just that he thought he was. From what he said, he clearly thought he was.

He's tunnel-visioned.he wouldn't vote for Mary Carey because she was for taxing breast implants, even though her "platform" was otherwise one he'd like to "support."

You've never come out and claimed implants, i really think it might be that simple.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I suspect the framers of the First Amendment did not believe that it gave us all the right to prevent someone from speaking by shouting them down.

Ty - in the realm of speech, all the first amendment does is bar THE GOVERNMENT from preventing us from speaking based on the content* of what we are saying in certain situations and that was my point. Private citizens are not barred from preventing someone else from speaking by the first amendment, and especially not if it is done on private property. You do get that, don't you? Because by what you have written it seems like you don't get it.

*with some notable exceptions like yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater or apparantly by running political ads paid for by certain groups within so many days before an election (!)

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Holmes said the First Amendment does not give you the right to shout "fire" at a crowded Dean rally, and I think he would have not come out differently had the hypothetical involved LaRouche ravings instead.

But Ty, Al Frankenfreak is not the GOVERMENT. See that is the state action requirement I was talking about. The first amendment only bars the GOVERNMENT from stopping speech. It does not authorize private citizens to stop someone else from speaking in order to allow another person to be heard.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Not Me
The first amendment only bars the GOVERNMENT from stopping speech. It does not authorize private citizens to stop someone else from speaking in order to allow another person to be heard.

Confidential to Ty: Please don't respond to this. It is right and fitting that this be the last word on this misbegotten thread, as inducing another poster to use capital letters to say "I AM AN IDIOT" is the perfect PB denoument.

Or, you could ban Not Me. That would be fitting, too.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Or, you could ban Not Me. That would be fitting, too.

I cannot be effectively banned by anyone.

[Atticus Grinch]

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[sgtclub]

I've been gone a couple of hours, why the new thread? Does this mean my post count will be reset AGAIN?

[SlaveNoMore]

Not Me
I cannot be effectively banned by anyone.

Bitch, please.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Bitch, please.

Dr. Frankenstein, may I introduce to you, your creation, Tyrone.

[sgtclub]

a candidate has ever won Iowa and NH, but not the nomination?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sgtclub
a candidate has ever won Iowa and NH, but not the nomination?

if the answer is no, the process is fucked, NTTAWWT

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by bilmore
[Doonesbury cartoon]

Yeah, the President thinks he's done more for human rights than Abraham Lincoln, but John Kerry is an egomaniac.

Gaius Julius Caesar wasn't the best dictator in Rome's history. He was just the only one who thought to write his military history in simple, easily digested Latin, that could be read by people who today would be watching Oprah. And high school sophomores still read it. Oh, and a little play about him, too, though that's a little more dense.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I've been gone a couple of hours, why the new thread? Does this mean my post count will be reset AGAIN?

No your post count is not reset. The last time something happened to the thread it was by accident and it was deleted. This time it was just locked and a new one started.

If a thread grows too big the system has trouble cataloging it for the search engine. It also can cause myriad problems for our server, and future problems when we need to move servers or upgrade.

For the moment we have set the number at 5000 posts. So any time a thread reaches 5k the moderator closes it and starts a new one. You can see this in practice if you look at the fashion board.

The original threads remain, they are simply locked. You can read them at any point. If 30 days pass however you need to go to the main page for the thread you want to view and click on the option to look at older threads.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Not Me
I would have to go back and read the article, and I am not going to do that, to know if the speech was occuring on private or public property, which, of course, brings a whole other dimension into it.*

*between the Heart of Atlanta Hotel case and now this discourse on the 1st Amendment, I have made quite an impressive showing of my Con Law knowledge here

You certainly have shown it.

S_A_M