A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
don't local governments administer the 911 services? Generally, how do response efficiencies compare in big cities between upper and upper middle class neighbourhoods versus poor inner city neighbourhoods??????

Generally the level one trauma centers are located in big cities and usually in public hospitals. I know that if I were to end up in an accident, I'd be begging the ambulance to take me to Ben Taub.

I don't know that much about the 9/11 system, though I did help a group try to get a hold of diversion data from the trauma registry here so they could make the system more effiecient. The problem in Houston is that the city is the size of the state of Rhode Island, but the best hospitals are clustered in the Med Center. The problem is slowly being fixed, but it's taking time to build new hosptials.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Adder
In the article that RT linked to, the victim was mugged and beaten in an affluent, albeit urban, neighborhood, but treated in a hospital in a poor(ish) inner city neighborhood.

Draw whatever wild, unsupported conclusions that you will.

It was Clinton's fault.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
So your minimum wage has solved their problems? GGG. What TV shows do you and Ty watch to get your understanding of the reality these people face? We all know you've created the great society to raise everyone up. But it's been 40 years now and it ain't happening real quick. From your Big Dem playbook- are we on track?

Again, another class of kids will graduate from Detroit schools this June and not be equipped for life. Do you even find your act funny?

In what countries do the urban poor fare better than those in the US?

What policies do those countries apply that you would emulate? Have they eliminated minimum wage laws? Eliminated income support programs, Medicaid, and other things that conservatives dismiss as "failed great society" programs?

It's easy to say that poor black people still have it tough. But blaming the "great society", a term coined by a president who left office some four decades ago, is a bit of a stretch. And a bit of a copout.

What policies would you propose to do to help the urban black poor? And can you provide an example of those policies actually working?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
What policies would you propose to do to help the urban black poor?

Penske says tort reform is the key. If we can just get consumers and trial lawyers off the backs of big business, it'll be a whole new world for the Detroit public schools.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Adder
In the article that RT linked to, the victim was mugged and beaten in an affluent, albeit urban, neighborhood, but treated in a hospital in a poor(ish) inner city neighborhood.

Draw whatever wild, unsupported conclusions that you will.

They took him to a level 1 trauma center. My guess is that the other level 1 trauma centers were also pretty busy that night.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Penske says tort reform is the key. If we can just get consumers and trial lawyers off the backs of big business, it'll be a whole new world for the Detroit public schools.

Now that we've dealt with the estate tax, tort reform probably is the next priority for helping the poor.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Penske_Account

I know GGG and Adder are mentally and emotionally deficient, but Ty used to seem smart.

Hey, now I've got two stalkers! Cool.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
They took him to a level 1 trauma center. My guess is that the other level 1 trauma centers were also pretty busy that night.

I understand the Yale glee club was in town.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
In what countries do the urban poor fare better than those in the US?

What policies do those countries apply that you would emulate? Have they eliminated minimum wage laws? Eliminated income support programs, Medicaid, and other things that conservatives dismiss as "failed great society" programs?

It's easy to say that poor black people still have it tough. But blaming the "great society", a term coined by a president who left office some four decades ago, is a bit of a stretch. And a bit of a copout.

What policies would you propose to do to help the urban black poor? And can you provide an example of those policies actually working?

Talking to the trolls again?

It's odd that none of the Rs are pushing Bush's little Escalatio act tonight, or responding to the thoughts on it posted by various Ds yesterday. Didn't Bush get out a memo of talking points with a meaty analysis of the situation and how he would attack it?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Talking to the trolls again?

It's odd that none of the Rs are pushing Bush's little Escalatio act tonight, or responding to the thoughts on it posted by various Ds yesterday. Didn't Bush get out a memo of talking points with a meaty analysis of the situation and how he would attack it?

I didn't think Hank's post was trollish, honestly.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
In what countries do the urban poor fare better than those in the US?

1. Japan
2. Singapore
3. South Korea

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
What policies do those countries apply that you would emulate? Have they eliminated minimum wage laws? Eliminated income support programs, Medicaid, and other things that conservatives dismiss as "failed great society" programs?

1) Welfare reform is a good start.
2) Increased security. Zero tolerance policing. There is too much focus in these areas of "victims of police brutality". What is needed is more cops and for them to have a zero tolerance policy.

This worked for Giuliani and Riordan and the countries listed above.

3) Strict education standards: Inner city schools spend much more per student than suburban and rural schools. Yet they suck. The biggest problem is the fact that incompetent teachers are not fired.

Works for the countries above:

4) Ownership: People who don't own their homes don't treat them as well and don't have as much vested in their community. Public housing should be converted to private ownership. Programs should be set up that encourage home ownership.

Public housing is almost always a disaster. It works in Singapore because the people that live in Public Housing have absolutely no rights. So unless you want a police state, public housing is not an option.

The basic philosophy that underlines the Democrat party (especially the far left of the party that the African American leadership clings to) is antithetical to all the above solutions. The Democrat machine in most large cities is hostile to the police and strict policing standards, hostile to strict education standards, is hostile to firing incompetent people, and is hostile to the idea of private ownership. When Republicans like Giuliani and Riordan overcome the Democrat machine in these areas the results are usually very impressive.

Originally posted by Sidd Finch It's easy to say that poor black people still have it tough. But blaming the "great society", a term coined by a president who left office some four decades ago, is a bit of a stretch. And a bit of a copout.

The great society created welfare dependency and public housing. The welfare problem has been fixed, but public housing never works. On the other hand, Head Start, which I believe was part of the Great Society works great. Don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The school hotlunch program is also good.

Originally posted by Sidd Finch What policies would you propose to do to help the urban black poor? And can you provide an example of those policies actually working?

See above.

[Adder]

His is hardly a surprise, but this is apparently a photo of Bush and Ambramoff:



Personally, I am just disappointed that Jack couldn't afford a suit that fits...

link

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I didn't think Hank's post was trollish, honestly.

you come and go, so you've missed some history.

I ran ggg out of here with constant fucking with him. he tried to fight back a few times but it was Charge of the Light Brigade IYKWIM. He was gone for almost a year. When he finally slunk back he took the position that I stalk him and I'm a troll, rather than to try to fight more. I am fairly sure everyone recognizes him for the idiot he is, but you should know his name calling is more survival instinct than anything else.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Spanky
The biggest problem is the fact that incompetent teachers are not fired.

The single biggest problem facing inner city schools is an inability to fire incompetent teachers? Really?

Thank god our suburban and rural schools are not stuck with this terrible affliction.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Adder
The single biggest problem facing inner city schools is an inability to fire incompetent teachers? Really?

I should have said teachers and principles. In LA they call it the dance of the Lemons. As soon as the parents complain a lot about a principle or a teacher, they are just moved to another location and a teacher that has been pushed out of another place for the same reason moves in.

Schools that are pulled out of the "Lemon Dance circuit" immediately show signs of improvement. Suburban and rural schools have less restrictions on getting rid of bad eggs.

You couple the dance of the lemons this with social promotion and no standards, then you get to a point where teachers simply see their jobs as keeping the kids in the classroom and out of trouble. Many teachers don't see "education" as really their job. "It is not realistic".