Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes. - Page 206

bilmore · 04-20-2005, 02:42 AM

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Good plan. Because, y'all will always be controlling everything forevermore, and will never need to work with us. Making the gulf as deep as possible is clearly the way to go. Kudos. Charming.

Hmmm. According to you, we're all heartless, soulless, evil, stupid morons who should have been aborted in the third grade. I think our relationship is already tenuous at best.

Gattigap · 04-20-2005, 02:44 AM

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So this is why the Dems are piling on so much right now, years before a vote - they want us to keep him!

Well, they're piling on him because he's being such a twit today. You think this stuff keeps for years if you don't say anything about it?

I figured the noogies that the Dems are currently delivering are so provided such that he could be, you know, "wounded." Y'all want to keep him, toss him, be our guest.

Naw, I take it back. Please keep him. I'm with Ty on this one -- it should be the primary goal of the Dems to tie DeLay as closely as humanly possible to every single Republican in Congress.

Keep him, so that in the general, we can run videos of even Lincoln Chafee doing body shots off DeLay's ass. By that time, Smilin' Tom will probaby be in depositions for the Indian embezzlement stuff, which will be deconstructed endlessly on whatever shit replaces Crossfire.

Spanky · 04-20-2005, 02:44 AM

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Hmmm. According to you, we're all heartless, soulless, evil, stupid morons who should have been aborted in the third grade. I think our relationship is already tenuous at best.

You left out greedy and selfish.

bilmore · 04-20-2005, 02:46 AM

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You left out greedy and selfish.

My ego can only take so much at once.

ltl/fb · 04-20-2005, 02:47 AM

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Normally the Republicans are pretty good about throwing their trash overboard. Lesson from Watergate. We usually put party before individuals - we threw out Gingrich, Livingston, Lott etc. The Dems usually circle the wagons to their detriment. They tried to hold onto Wright way too long. And Clinton. If the Senate Dems had gotten Clinton to resign, Gore would have been an incumbant and almost certainly would have won in 2000. A Republican would have been forced to resign.

And as far as Delay getting stuff through. I just don't see it. Where are the spending cuts, free trade agreement with central America, tax reform etc. They did get the tax cuts through but I think that was more Bush than Delay. Hell, Reagan got Tax cuts through with a Dem majority. Discipline - what Discipline?

The Dems are piling on because they are wounding him. But they can't push him out. They make him look as bad as possible and then hope we are dumb enough to keep him around.

TRA '86 was revenue neutral. You should read Showdown at Gucchi Gulch.

I miss bipartisanship. It blows me away how the R leadership (Frist, Bush, DeLay) seem totally unwilling to work with anyone who hasn't sold their soul. I understand unity but they are wacko. I wish we had Dole or McCain instead of any of them.

ETA oops. I said something nice about some Rs. I forgot, if I think bilmore is a short-sighted asshole I must think all Rs are that way. My mistake.

bilmore · 04-20-2005, 02:50 AM

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I miss bipartisanship. It blows me away how the R leadership (Frist, Bush, DeLay) seem totally unwilling to work with anyone who hasn't sold their soul.

I know. I was disappointed when Kerry lost, seeing how willing he would have been to work with us on our tax cuts, and dumping Saddam, and all. Why can't we be more like you guys?

ltl/fb · 04-20-2005, 02:50 AM

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should have been aborted in the third grade. I think our relationship is already tenuous at best.

Interesting choice. I never went to 3rd grade.

bilmore · 04-20-2005, 02:51 AM

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Interesting choice. I never went to 3rd grade.

Keep taking those tests. Don't give up.

ltl/fb · 04-20-2005, 02:51 AM

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I know. I was disappointed when Kerry lost, seeing how willing he would have been to work with us on our tax cuts, and dumping Saddam, and all. Why can't we be more like you guys?

*sigh* whatever, I don't know why I click, I had too much to drink tonight. You are a twisted, sad, bitter little old man.

bilmore · 04-20-2005, 02:55 AM

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*sigh* whatever, I don't know why I click, I had too much to drink tonight. You are a twisted, sad, bitter little old man.

Undoubtedly. (Except for the sad part, of course. I'm very cheerful tonight. But "twisted"? Fer sure.)

But I never confuse "bipartisanship" with "people who will do things my way, which is the only way."

Tyrone Slothrop · 04-20-2005, 03:10 AM

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I miss bipartisanship. It blows me away how the R leadership (Frist, Bush, DeLay) seem totally unwilling to work with anyone who hasn't sold their soul. I understand unity but they are wacko. I wish we had Dole or McCain instead of any of them.

DeLay would rather avoid bipartisanship to ensure that corporate contributions go solely to his side. If Democrats are voting for his bills, he figures he's leaving something on the table.

SlaveNoMore · 04-20-2005, 05:25 AM

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RTs may hate him, but he is the best friend the Democrat party has ever had. They needed a replacement for Jesse Helmes and they got one in Delay. Not a Democrat fundraising letter goes out without a quote from Delay. The Democrats could not pay him enough for the help he gives them in raising money and influencing swing voters. If he would just shut up, and do his whip stuff behind the scenes, it my be OK. But he has done to much damage. He needs to go or he may lose the Congress that Gingrich worked so hard to take.

Our party does a horrible job of getting out the daily bon mots...er...gaffes... of Byrd, Pelosi, Rangel, Schumer, et. al.

Hell, I get* daily emails from the DNC misquoting our President/Senators/Reps/Governors, whereas I have to read Reynolds, NRO, Bainbridge, CQ et. al. to get the quotes from the other side of the aisle.

*Actually, the GF gets them and she shares my computer.

SlaveNoMore · 04-20-2005, 05:37 AM

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bilmore
Undoubtedly. (Except for the sad part, of course. I'm very cheerful tonight. But "twisted"? Fer sure.)

But I never confuse "bipartisanship" with "people who will do things my way, which is the only way."

In the 2005 version of the Webster's Dictionary:

bi-par-ti-san (adj): (1) Requiring the majority to concede to the will of the minority, losing party; (2) Giving away something for nothing; (3) Destroying the reputation of a faithful diplomat and civil servant to curry favor with the United Nations; (4) Mocking a noble, theologian for being an "evil conservative."

Fuck this!!!

sebastian_dangerfield · 04-20-2005, 09:46 AM

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His primary problem is that - on the national PR stage - he is a schmoe.

To the people that matter, he is a very effective leader - and it appears his constituents aren't going to toss him anytime soon.

If you look at the notable Republicans that openly speak against him (e.g. Newt Gingrich), they all have a personal axe to grind. Otherwise, they all stand in line.

But for Spanky and other Blue State GOPers [like myself], his needless and constant sound bites make our party much, much harder for moderates or Reagan Democrats to swallow.

The man reinforces the notion to a lot of moderates that a fat swath of the GOP's base is trailer trash. Delay's Achilles Heel is his bloodline. Who he is, what he is, etc... a mean thug. Its amusing to watch people like Delay and Clinton, both from humble upbringings, reach such different levels. Delay's epitaph will be "low rent enforcer" - a Ty Dome of DC politics. Clinton will be remembered as the low rent son of a bitch who rose up to hoodwink everyone from Oxford to the Impeachment Inquisitors, and rode off into the sunset with enough bags of cash to sink a small fishing boat.

Not Bob · 04-20-2005, 11:00 AM

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You're missing the pattern. Gingrich ended up demonized and vilified after being so effective, for "transgressions" equally as weighty, but, in reality, because he just pissed off the Dems in his accomplishments. We jettisoned him because of that.

Bullshit. Delay and others booted Gingrich because Clinton brilliantly outmanuvered Newt on the budget impasse/government shut-down.

And because he whined (inaccurately) about not being able to talk to Clinton on Air Force One and (inaccurately) about having to exit the back door of the plane. And because he was secretly boinking a young committee staffer while the House was publicly frothing at the mouth because Clinton was getting a blowjob from an intern.