Still Hating America.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bi-partisanship fairy
Hank,

While I don't really know you, I feel I know you in a cyber sense from reading your postings here as a longtime lurker and I must comment that, in the spirit of bi-partisanship, it is nice to see you posting more substantively and making efforts to reach across the political divide with your substantiveness, HOWEVER, I must caution, calling other posters "stupid", regardless of the veracity or lack thereof of such comment, is not bi-partisanshipical.

Focus. For the children.

In the spirit of bipartisanship and in leaving the planet in good shape for the children, I agree.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Fuck you, Hank. Talking with you is pointless.

Enjoy your circle-jerk with Penske. I'm done.

Wait, Sidd, weren't you the one who said Hank wasn't a troll? Have you been off feeding the trolls again?

In Hank's defense, that was one of the most substantive posts I've seem from him. It's like I hardly know him anymore!

[bi-partisanship fairy]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
In the spirit of bipartisanship and in leaving the planet in good shape for the children, I agree.

I'm verklempted. If only Slave, Hank or Penske, you know, one of the really right wing extremists were to "2!" that post, then I would know that we are making progress. Notwithsttanding some of the unmoveable haters. But together, both sides now, we can marginalize that hate.

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
In the spirit of bipartisanship and in leaving the planet in good shape for the children, I agree.

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[bi-partisanship fairy]

Originally posted by Southern Patriot
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Thank you Penske! My work here is complete.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Penske hasn't been around lately, but I find myself wondering what he would think of the news that in 1975 Hillary Clinton attempted to enlist in the Marine Corps.

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by bi-partisanship fairy
FOUL! This post flies in the face of the new bi-partisan tenor of this board. It is filled with pure hate. The same type of hate that Senator Byrd and his Klansmen exhibit towards the African-Americans, Catholics, Jews, Gays, hispanics, Arabs, Asians et al. Even if the truth hurts there is no reason to engage in such hate. Now is the time for real Americans to come together in bi-partisanship.

Are you with us or with them?

I guarantee you, those good ole boys, whether we're talking Byrd or Bush, Duke or Gingrich, Wallace or Cheney, have nothing but the interest of our nation at heart. Why do you hate America so?

[bi-partisanship fairy]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Penske hasn't been around lately, but I find myself wondering what he would think of the news that in 1975 Hillary Clinton attempted to enlist in the Marine Corps.

Thanks for that bit of info. On the one hand it's certainly hard to question her military cred now, otoh, as I posted on that webblog under my real name, Mike....

What the hell is the point, Ty? This seems to have zero relevance to anything.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bi-partisanship fairy
What the hell is the point, Ty? This seems to have zero relevance to anything.

I just thought it would make him happy. Is that so wrong?

Notwithstanding the avatar, I prefer to think of you as the Carol Kane character in Scrooged. YMMV.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I'm sorry, I thought you didn't like people yelling "stupid" every time they disagreed with each other. You're as big a hypocrite as Gore.

You want serious, without sniping, then that's what I'll give you.

I agree with you. Gore is a hypocrite. Is it cooler now?

Attacking Gore is an obvious tactic to divert attention from discussing the real issue, and the real policy problems that we need to address (just like attacking Edwards for being rich is a way to divert attention from the effects of policies that have made it harder for poor people to improve their lives).

But Gore isn't as big a hypocrite - or "criminal" - as you'd like to think. Buying offsetting credits is better than nothing. It has some real effect, and it finances some projects that otherwise wouldn't get done, because they aren't profitable on their own or because they haven't achieved sufficient economies of scale.

In other words, what Gore does is an improvement. But not a solution. At best, he gets a C. Probably a C-. Which, when you consider that he is admonishing Americans to strive for an A, or A+, is pretty sad.

On the other hand, I would guess that most people of Gore's wealth get an F. Cheney uses as much power as Gore, right (and all his utilities are on the public dime -- remember that story, from a few years back?). No offsetting credits, no nothing. I'd rather see a few more people move from an F to a C than not.

So, you going to respond with any level of seriousness? Any thought? Any basis? Or you just going to stay with the usual name-calling? If the former, do you think any policy changes are actually needed? Or is global warming still just a big hoax, in your mind?

If Gore's book and movie were written by Ed Begley, Jr., would you say "oh, well he's actually practicing what he preaches, so let's all sit up and listen and start shutting down coal plants"? I mean, is it his hypocrisy that really bothers you, or is that just a ruse?

I agree with you. The focus on the hypocrisy is a cheap diversion. It's a lousy, silly debate tactic that's a concession of the underlying dispute.

I'll go one further and say Gore's not even a hypocrite. His home's power usage is on its craziest day so de minimus it barely warrants consideration. That someone would go so far to dig up a matter like that to use as a debating tool shows the investigator to be pretty fucking insecure about the real issue at hand.

I think Gore's idea on credits is a fine, market based approach any conservative ought to get behind. At a minimum, it gets business moving in what the public perceives is the right direction (lets face it - global warming, science or no science, is already fact in the court of public opinion, so there will be legislation to follow). I can't fathom how a conservative would argue against a middle of the road approach that could create a new market - a new profit center in something tradeable - in favor of punitive regulation, the inevitable Option B where everybody but bureaucrats lose.

I also like the credits thing because it corrodes the Left's belief the best way to handle these issues is through direct passage of legilation telling companies they must retool or face fines. Any time we get the govt and bureaucrats to take a market approach over a "lets pass a law telling business what it can and can't do" we quietly admit the market trumps the govt. These admisions add up over time and corrode the Liberal's greatest myth - that govt be and be perceived to be the strongest actor in our world. The market bends everything to its will - any policy allowing its fingers to go further into our govt is fine in my book.*

So Hank, stop shooting at Gore. He might turn out to be your best friend.

*I say this with full recognition lobbysists will ensure any such program benefits the biggest players, so the market in these credits won't really be a free market, but hey... small steps.

[bi-partisanship fairy]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I just thought it would make him happy. Is that so wrong?

As long as your motivations are of a bi-partisan nature and not meant to taunt, then I say no, not so wrong, and maybe even right.

[bi-partisanship fairy]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I just thought it would make him happy. Is that so wrong?

Notwithstanding the avatar, I prefer to think of you as the Carol Kane character in Scrooged. YMMV.

That is Carol Kane.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bi-partisanship fairy
That is Carol Kane.

[CROCODILE DUNDEE]That's not Carol Kane. This is Carol Kane.[/DUNDEE]

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you were reading this weekend, you may have missed Burger's challenge, which was in a separate thread until moments ago.

What's up? I don't have permission to access.

S_A_M

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
What's up? I don't have permission to access.

S_A_M

Try this. That's probably the url for when I merged the post into this thread.