Politics As Usual

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Not meant to be rhetorical:

What international law is violated by kidnapping or killing a stateless person in a lawless land where he is tolerated while he plots war upon the state that kills him?

Just a gut feeling, but I'm with Gore on the topic, if he really said it. Partly because I think a 5 year old could argue his way out of the courts that even try to enforce any such law, if it exists. Personally, if any such court ever tries, convicts, attempts to punish etc. any, and I mean any (i.e., including any Democrat or whatever), American official for undertaking such a course of conduct, I'll be in favor of declaring war on the court.

(1) You and me both in agreeing with Gore.
(2) Lloyd Cutler was the White House counsel, so you can see how his job was to tell them what the law was and all.
(3) Who said it was a stateless person?
(4) Who said it was a lawless land?
(5) We have extradition treaties, etc.
(6) If some Mounties (e.g.) showed up in Winnetka to kidnap someone wanted in Manitoba, people'ld be p.o.'d.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
(1) You and me both in agreeing with Gore.
(2) Lloyd Cutler was the White House counsel, so you can see how his job was to tell them what the law was and all.
(3) Who said it was a stateless person?
(4) Who said it was a lawless land?
(5) We have extradition treaties, etc.
(6) If some Mounties (e.g.) showed up in Winnetka to kidnap someone wanted in Manitoba, people'ld be p.o.'d.

I forget (still at work and I'm tired). Weren't we talking about Osama? If so, his citizenship was revoked by Saudi Arabia in something like 1994. Treaty/schmeety.

Lawless land? Any place that tolerates someone plotting war against my nation is, at best, lawless. Well, at least if we can take em. In any case, its likely that the tolerance reflects upon the possibility of extradition treaties.

And any time the Mounties show up on the North Shore, they are almost certainly taking out liberals. I'll salute my beloved Canadian heros as they take the criminals to their rightful doom. Well, at least if the criminals are democrats. But that pretty much goes without saying, unless its some kind of offense relating to being a crackhead apparently.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I forget (still at work and I'm tired). Weren't we talking about Osama? If so, his citizenship was revoked by Saudi Arabia in something like 1994. Treaty/schmeety.

Lawless land? Any place that tolerates someone plotting war against my nation is, at best, lawless. Well, at least if we can take em. In any case, its likely that the tolerance reflects upon the possibility of extradition treaties.

The story is from Richard Clarke's book, and he doesn't say who they were grabbing or what country he was in.

And any time the Mounties show up on the North Shore, they are almost certainly taking out liberals. I'll salute my beloved Canadian heros as they take the criminals to their rightful doom. Well, at least if the criminals are democrats.

Are you kidding? The lefties run Canada. If they aren't coming down to bust a comedian who left without paying an exit tax -- you know how humorless and taxing they are up there -- you can be sure that it's a renegage conservative who's plotting a return with seditious free market principles or something.

[the Spartan]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I've had some wine now, and (a) I'm less cranky, and (b) you're making a little more sense. An Australian chardonnay, Wynn's Coonawarra or something like that, if you're wondering.

Apropos of that, kids are down and I'm getting ready to crack a bottle of Mondavi Reserve Chard, kick back on the deck, read the WSJ and thank the good Lord for the shining city on the hill in which I live. Maybe later I'll rent a ppvporn.

And don't worry, I'll give all of all y'all dilettantesque faux-intellectual elitists libs a recap of what I learn in the Journal tomorrow.

LOL!

Vista.la.playa.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Lawless land? Any place that tolerates someone plotting war against my nation is, at best, lawless. Well, at least if we can take em.

I wonder if the Iraqi insurrection has a similar political theory. If so, the handover of power should be a lot smoother than we'd feared.

Viva! Las! Vegas!

[Dave]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
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I thought you said you didn't go for MFF.

Sorry, wrong board.

[Atticus Grinch]

Regardless of his views of press freedom at home, while he's abroad President Bush isn't afraid to employ foreign state censorship merely to avoid embarrassment. Not that I wanted to see the POTUS in a wife-beater.

[SlaveNoMore]

Atticus Grinch
Regardless of his views of press freedom at home, while he's abroad President Bush isn't afraid to employ foreign state censorship merely to avoid embarrassment. Not that I wanted to see the POTUS in a wife-beater.

I'm guessing, much like a bonnet, a lift and a queue, that a "vest" means something completely different over there?

[the Spartan]

Neil Cavuto rant that is on-point to a debate we had here not too long ago regarding posting of graphically violent war pictures:


We need to understand the reality of that gore, and we need to understand it again and again. That's why I differ from my colleagues in the media, even the fine organization with whom I'm associated, FOX News, when I say, show me those beheadings of innocents like Paul Johnson and 33-year-old South Korean humanitarian worker Kim Sun-il.

Show me the senselessness of their killings. Show me the evil behind their killings. Show me it. Show me all of it. And don't sanitize it. Don't blur it, mask it, color it or frame it. Don't gloss over it and try to make us not see it or be appalled by it. You see, I want us appalled. I want us angry. I want us outraged. I want us sickened.


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[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Dave
I thought you said you didn't go for MFF.

Sorry, wrong board.

I think of myself as a 6, and demand that all guys I am with are 9s or above.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I'm guessing, much like a bonnet, a lift and a queue, that a "vest" means something completely different over there?

Not a hardcore Anglophile, but the context says "undershirt." Unless 43 is a closet Mormon, I'm at a loss to figure why being photographed in a t-shirt would be scandalous enough to require state intervention, so I can only assume it was a pit-stained wife-beater. This is the unintended consequence of censorship.

[Dave]

"Earlier this week, Ralph Nader named his running mate. It's Green Party activist Peter Camejo. Camejo is actually a Spanish word that means 'No votes!' "

— Jay Leno

"Michael Moore's new anti-Bush documentary 'Fahrenheit 9/11' opens in theaters across America after winning the Grand Prize at Cannes. Can you imagine how betrayed Dick Cheney must feel? Done in by an even fatter rich white guy!"

— Craig Kilborn

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Not a hardcore Anglophile, but the context says "undershirt." Unless 43 is a closet Mormon, I'm at a loss to figure why being photographed in a t-shirt would be scandalous enough to require state intervention, so I can only assume it was a pit-stained wife-beater. This is the unintended consequence of censorship.

I believe he was just trying to protect the Office. Keep in mind, the guy before him and the guy he ran against both had serious man-boob problems. Maybe not in '08, but sooner or later another fattie is going to get in, and that would be evident from the A.M. shot.

It wasn't so much fear of his photo being a hate fuck centerfold in Unzipped, as the next guy being used to justify fatty at naafa.org

[the Spartan]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I believe he was just trying to protect the Office. Keep in mind, the guy before him and the guy he ran against both had serious man-boob problems. Maybe not in '08, but sooner or later another fattie is going to get in, and that would be evident from the A.M. shot.

It wasn't so much fear of his photo being a hate fuck centerfold in Unzipped, as the next guy being used to justify fatty at naafa.org

Its interesting to note the contrast between how the leftist media attempts to debase the Commander in Chief during War time at every turn and yet Clinton got a free pass no matter what he did. T-shirt schmeeshirt, why create a non newsworthy story just to embarass the man, aide and comfort to the enemy perhaps?

Speaking of which, remember this videoclip that the mainstream media glossed over (hint: its Clinton sexually assaulting a stewardess while his pal Bruce Lindsay looks on):

Cheney Utters 'F-Word' in U.S. Senate?
Jun 25, 7:32 am ET

By Thomas Ferraro
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney blurted out the "F word" at Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont during a heated exchange on the Senate floor, congressional aides said on Thursday.

The incident occurred on Tuesday in a terse discussion between the two that touched on politics, religion and money, with Cheney finally telling Leahy to "f--- off" or "go f--- yourself," the aides said.

"I think he was just having a bad day," Leahy was quoted as saying on CNN, which first reported the incident. "I was kind of shocked to hear that kind of language on the floor."

"That doesn't sound like language the vice president would use but there was a frank exchange of views," said Cheney spokesman Kevin Kellems.

According to congressional aides, Leahy said hello to Cheney following the taking of the Senate group photo on the floor of the chamber.

Cheney, who is president of the Senate, then ripped into Leahy for the Democratic senator's criticism this week of alleged war profiteering in Iraq by Halliburton, the oil services company that Cheney once ran.

Leahy and other Democrats have called for congressional hearings into whether the vice president helped the firm win lucrative contracts in Iraq after the U.S.-led war that toppled Saddam Hussein.

During their exchange, Leahy noted that Republicans had accused Democrats of being anti-Catholic because they are opposed to some of President Bush's anti-abortion judges, the aides said.

That's when Cheney unloaded with the "F-bomb," aides said.

With the Senate sharply divided, Democrats and Republicans have had numerous partisan battles in recent years on matters from taxes to health care.

"Things have been pretty bad around here," said Sen. Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat. "But as far as I know, as far as I'm concerned, this is a new low."

According to Senate rules, profanity is not permitted while the chamber is in session. But when the exchange occurred between Leahy and Cheney, the Senate was not in session so there was technically no foul.

Earlier on Thursday, before word of the exchange spread, Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, a South Dakota Democrat, stood in the chamber and spoke of the need to improve civility with what he called the "politics of common ground."

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