Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes. - Page 208

taxwonk · 04-20-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
You know, if you look at the actual list of what he's done, it's not that bad - nothing more than you see in so many long-term pols of both stripes. Is his main drawback just that the D's hate him with such an ungodly passion that it's worthwhile to jettison him? Is losing such an effective whip a reasonable price to pay for what sort of looks like nothing more than giving up so things can move on?

The internet comment was stoopid. The trips were nothing more than what many others have done. The ethics accusations could be read either way, from what I can see, and the much-reviled change of ethics rules only made them mirror the Dem rules, if I remember correctly. Frankly, I'm not sure where the beef is here.

(ETA - I may well have these wrong - I've paid very little attention to the late chapters of Delay.)

WEll, there is also the incredibly unethical, yet successful, Gerrymandering of the Texas state legislature, the unlawfu use of the DEpartment of Homeland Security and attempted unlawful use of the FAA to ensure that the gerrymandering would occur, the fact that he has been caught numerous times trading money or votes for votes on his pet projects, the fact that he is an idiot, the way he tried to make the Schiavo thing about him....

I could go on for quite some time, but there's now this really badf taste in my mouth.

Sidd Finch · 04-20-2005, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
You left out greedy and selfish.

Bilmore was only listing sins. He sees those as virtues. Sorta like your view on free trade.

(I'm kidding, okay?)

Say_hello_for_me · 04-20-2005, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm available to run, though given my background, I won't be able to hold the religious right vote.

Yes You Would.

Coming soon, WWSCD tee shirts!

mmm3587 · 04-20-2005, 01:07 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/....ap/index.html

Is Delay (a) really that clueless that he's got concerns about internet research of precedent, the concept of the common law or looking to see how other countries resolve certain issues or (b) just playing to the unwashed, uneducated masses who are the only ones keeping him in office?

I am pretty open to hearing about different perspectives on a lot of issues, but I almost automatically write someone off when he starts ranting about "activist judges" and the need to reign them in.

Hank Chinaski · 04-20-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by mmm3587
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/....ap/index.html

Is Delay (a) really that clueless that he's got concerns about internet research of precedent, the concept of the common law or looking to see how other countries resolve certain issues or (b) just playing to the unwashed, uneducated masses who are the only ones keeping him in office?

I am pretty open to hearing about different perspectives on a lot of issues, but I almost automatically write someone off when he starts ranting about "activist judges" and the need to reign them in.

Wasn't the internet research thing, that Kennedy did it himself, rather than the fact of using the internet?

bilmore · 04-20-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Wasn't the internet research thing, that Kennedy did it himself, rather than the fact of using the internet?

Even if, so . . . .? He's a heathen because he's internet-literate?

(As I said before, I agree that Kennedy's reliance on his own factual interpretation of how "attitudes have changed here", coupled with his "lookie at what the french say!" international survey, are bullshit. But where Delay gets this internet thing is just beyond me.)

Gattigap · 04-20-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Wasn't the internet research thing, that Kennedy did it himself, rather than the fact of using the internet?

Next week we'll hear that Kennedy squeezes the produce at Safeway.

And puts it back.

Replaced_Texan · 04-20-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
God FORBID they elect a Hispanic Pope considering Latin America is holding the fucking Catholic Church together. As IF there's a need for representation of the modern, nihilistic, chain-smoking, ugly, leder-hosen-wearing European-Germans, who could GIVE a crap about Catholics or any other God-fearing religion!!! Typical that this Nazi (I lose!) Pope takes the namesake of a traitorous fellow European who took a whimpy stance in World War I and who is honored by......you betcha.....Muslims. At LEAST if those whackadoo Cardinals were going to elect a European Pope, they'd have found one with typical relaxed Euro-mores, which mean Priests would have at least gotten the ticket to hit the Pooty Store. Confounding.

I've heard that the consensus is that they're looking to groom someone from either Latin America or Africa, and this is clearly an interim pope.

robustpuppy · 04-20-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I've heard that the consensus is that they're looking to groom someone from either Latin America or Africa, and this is clearly an interim pope.

Because they expect him to retire as he has said before he would, or because they expect him to die? Do Popes retire?

andViolins · 04-20-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I've heard that the consensus is that they're looking to groom someone from either Latin America or Africa, and this is clearly an interim pope.

I prefer the term "rebound pope".

aV

Hank Chinaski · 04-20-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Even if, so . . . .? He's a heathen because he's internet-literate?

That he knows how to use google does not make him literate. And knowing what not to accept as fact from the internet is not so easy. I know seemingly smart people who take various unsupported rants from the net, and try and use them as fact (e.g. Tyrone Slothrop )

not wishing to question their motives for using these lies, I will assume it is simple dull-wittedness.

bilmore · 04-20-2005, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
That he knows how to use google does not make him literate. And knowing what not to accept as fact from the internet is not so easy. I know seemingly smart people who take various unsupported rants from the net, and try and use them as fact (e.g. Tyrone Slothrop )

not wishing to question their motives for using these lies, I will assume it is simple dull-wittedness.

Ah, so the complaint was that his internet research was shoddy, and relied on bad sources? That would make more sense. I had the impression that the complaint was that he knew his own WL password.

Sidd Finch · 04-20-2005, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Next week we'll hear that Kennedy squeezes the produce at Safeway.

And puts it back.

He does his own grocery shopping? I say, impeach the fucker already.

Sidd Finch · 04-20-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Ah, so the complaint was that his internet research was shoddy, and relied on bad sources? That would make more sense. I had the impression that the complaint was that he knew his own WL password.

The quotes I've seen don't say "and he does Internet research poorly," just "he does his own Internet research." I mean, I don't wanna accuse Hank of saying anything less than perfectly true, but before you accept it you might request a cite. (Hank does his own internet research, of course, so YMMV.)

Gattigap · 04-20-2005, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Ah, so the complaint was that his internet research was shoddy, and relied on bad sources? That would make more sense.

Arguably it would, but I've not hear this anywhere. If that's the complaint, then allege incompetence -- it wouldn't matter whether the research were via Lexis or hardcopy. Of course, we tend to let SC justices work until the can hardly read anymore, so this particular complaint would seem to move the bar a bit.

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I had the impression that the complaint was that he knew his own WL password.

This was my impression too.