A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
For once I agree with Rosie.

dissent. I am no trump fan but I think he's right when called her a loser, except he should have qualified it that, obviously, she's blowing the right people in Hollyweird to maintain her career.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Im down for runnin up on dem crackas in dey city hall!

Dissent:

• I know a way we can get paid you can get down but you can't be afraid
  
  Let's go to the DMV
  
  And get a ID
  
  The name says you but the face is me
  
  Now it's your turn take my paper work
  
  Like 1, 2, 3 lets make it work
  
  Then, fill out the credit card application
  
  And its gonna be bout 3 weeks a waiting
  
  For American Express
  
  Discovery card
  
  Platinum visa, master card
  
  Cause we was spooked as shit like we's was targets
  
  Now we just walk right up and say charge it
  
  To the game we rocking brand names
  
  Goin on out the partmenstore chains
  
  We even got the boys in the crew a few things
  
  Po Po never know who to true blame

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Bob
No politics, I am afraid.

It started with the Miss USA thingy (the issue of whether the underage boozing she engaged in should make her lose her crown -- Trump is an owner or co-owner of the pageant). Rosie mocked the idea that Donald Trump should be the arbiter of moral behavior, noting his divorces, and suggesting that he wasn't all that good of a businessman. Trump responded with his typical restraint, suggesting that he would sue her for falsely stating that he went bankrupt, and threatened to have one of his friends steal her girlfriend. Then he dragged Baba Wawa into it, stating that she told him that she didn't like Rosie, and that she wouldn't be back on The View next year.

Coincidentally, The Apprentice LA is about to air.

do you like Rosie's new hairdo?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I don't know. But in some instance, at least, I would allow a doctor, who sees that his patient weighs 300 pounds, smokes, and refuses to show up for dietary or exercise counseling, to recommend that this patient not be allowed government-financed treatment for the predictable (fill in the blank with your favorite disease).

Fuck 'em.

Ditto for someone who needs to be put on life support because he smashed up his brain by motorcycling without a helmet.

As I posted on the FB the other day, research suggests that it's more dangerous to be sedentary than overweight. So perhaps your doctor should be asking patients how much exercise they get rather than asking his obese patients about their eating habits.

Agree re smoking.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I don't know. But in some instance, at least, I would allow a doctor, who sees that his patient weighs 300 pounds, smokes, and refuses to show up for dietary or exercise counseling, to recommend that this patient not be allowed government-financed treatment for the predictable (fill in the blank with your favorite disease).

Fuck 'em.

Ditto for someone who needs to be put on life support because he smashed up his brain by motorcycling without a helmet.

Poorer people tend to smoke more*, don't they? And in the lower middle suburb where I grew up, running for exercise was considered a fag thing to do. If you cut them out you might be able to get to universal care w/o additional cost.

*For some reason downtown SF seemed to have the heaviest percentage of smokers of any place I've been in the past few years, whereas I would have expected the exact opposite. What is up with that?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Dissent:

• I know a way we can get paid you can get down but you can't be afraid
  
  Let's go to the DMV
  
  And get a ID
  
  The name says you but the face is me
  
  Now it's your turn take my paper work
  
  Like 1, 2, 3 lets make it work
  
  Then, fill out the credit card application
  
  And its gonna be bout 3 weeks a waiting
  
  For American Express
  
  Discovery card
  
  Platinum visa, master card
  
  Cause we was spooked as shit like we's was targets
  
  Now we just walk right up and say charge it
  
  To the game we rocking brand names
  
  Goin on out the partmenstore chains
  
  We even got the boys in the crew a few things
  
  Po Po never know who to true blame

2.

A true motherfucka going out for the loot.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Spanky
I am way to lazy to read all the old reports, but the news ones don't explain it. Does anyone know what Trump and Rosie are arguing about. Is it political? I can't figure it out?

Not political.

Trump owns the Miss USA pageant. You may remember some news flap a couple months back where pictures surfaced of the current Miss USA partying hard in a bar, flashing a bit and being a little kissy with some female friends. I think they were from before her reign.

Trump came down hard, but agreed to let her keep her crown -- tearful press conference where she agreed to enter rehab, etc.

Rosie said on The View that Trump was a blowhard who had no business or standing to be the moderator of morality for 20 year olds. He responded by calling her, inter alia, a "fat loser." The conflict blossomed from there.

S_A_M

eta: NO I will not scroll, then post!

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Not political.

Trump owns the Miss USA pageant. You may remember some news flap a couple months back where pictures surfaced of the current Miss USA partying hard in a bar, flashing a bit and being a little kissy with some female friends. I think they were from before her reign.

Trump came down hard, but agreed to let her keep her crown -- tearful press conference where she agreed to enter rehab, etc.

Rosie said on The View that Trump was a blowhard who had no business or standing to be the moderator of morality for 20 year olds. He responded by calling her, inter alia, a "fat loser." The conflict blossomed from there.

S_A_M

eta: NO I will not scroll, then post!

You have your facts wrong too. The pictures were of Miss Nevada, who was de-crowned (de-sashed?). There are no flashing shots of Miss USA that have surfaced (yet).*

I think that the main reason Trump got so angry (aside from it being good press, of course), was that Rosie said he went bankrupt. He threatened to sue her because he never went bankrupt, just several of his companies. Then he went to a lawyer and they told him that he had no leg to stand on, so he backed off that line of "defense" and just started calling her a fat slob and threatening to steal her girlfriend away instead. Charming.



*See? This is the value a place like the fashion board can add to your life! An in-depth knowledge of Miss USA pageant scandals!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
You have your facts wrong too. The pictures were of Miss Nevada, who was de-crowned (de-sashed?). There are no flashing shots of Miss USA that have surfaced (yet).*

I think that the main reason Trump got so angry (aside from it being good press, of course), was that Rosie said he went bankrupt. He threatened to sue her because he never went bankrupt, just several of his companies. Then he went to a lawyer and they told him that he had no leg to stand on, so he backed off that line of "defense" and just started calling her a fat slob and threatening to steal her girlfriend away instead. Charming.



*See? This is the value a place like the fashion board can add to your life! An in-depth knowledge of Miss USA pageant scandals!

Translation: I am infatuated with spanky, but passive aggressive enough to answer his question by responding to some other sock.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Translation: I am infatuated with spanky, but passive aggressive enough to answer his question by responding to some other sock.

I'll answer it directly to him, too. Whatever is most likely to get some insane rambling 1500 word response. I don't care.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
As I posted on the FB the other day, research suggests that it's more dangerous to be sedentary than overweight. So perhaps your doctor should be asking patients how much exercise they get rather than asking his obese patients about their eating habits.

Agree re smoking.

Thanks. If I was as smart as you I might have said something about exercise, or even "exercise counseling."



Seriously, though -- does that research really go so far as to encompass someone of normal height who weighs 300 pounds? The references I've seen to such research refers to "overweight." Unless you are 7 feet tall, 300 pounds is not "overweight", it is "obese" -- perhaps "morbidly obese". I think the people who do this research use those terms with precision.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Thanks. If I was as smart as you I might have said something about exercise, or even "exercise counseling."



Seriously, though -- does that research really go so far as to encompass someone of normal height who weighs 300 pounds? The references I've seen to such research refers to "overweight." Unless you are 7 feet tall, 300 pounds is not "overweight", it is "obese" -- perhaps "morbidly obese". I think the people who do this research use those terms with precision.

2. I don't think there are too many 300 lb people out there exercising.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Thanks. If I was as smart as you I might have said something about exercise, or even "exercise counseling."



Seriously, though -- does that research really go so far as to encompass someone of normal height who weighs 300 pounds? The references I've seen to such research refers to "overweight." Unless you are 7 feet tall, 300 pounds is not "overweight", it is "obese" -- perhaps "morbidly obese". I think the people who do this research use those terms with precision.

I wasn't trying to bust your chops, but mentioning it again because I think it's very interesting and no one pursued it over there. I think when you get to people who are really, really heavy, they are unlikely to get any kind of exercise, and the health risks are substantial. As you say, a relatively large (heh) number of people are "obese," and yet even so can be very healthy if not sedentary.

The article discusses this more clearly and at greater length -- I'd find some quotes, but I have to run. Here's the link:

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030...mpos011303&c=1

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I wasn't trying to bust your chops, but mentioning it again because I think it's very interesting and no one pursued it over there. I think when you get to people who are really, really heavy, they are unlikely to get any kind of exercise, and the health risks are substantial. As you say, a relatively large (heh) number of people are "obese," and yet even so can be very healthy if not sedentary.

I understand this but it is thoroughly besides the point. The point I was making, and trying to discuss, is whether "universal health care" should be less available to people who refuse even to try to keep themselves healthy. I talked about the person who weighs 300 lbs, smokes, etc., and talked about that person refusing to attend meetings with an exercise counselor.

It should have been clear that this hypothetical person is also not getting regular exercise, but so what? Responding with "actually, fat people who occasionally exercise can be relatively healthy" reveals how current you are with the research, but that's about it. It's as if you were to criticize the font I used.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I understand this but it is thoroughly besides the point. The point I was making, and trying to discuss, is whether "universal health care" should be less available to people who refuse even to try to keep themselves healthy. I talked about the person who weighs 300 lbs, smokes, etc., and talked about that person refusing to attend meetings with an exercise counselor.

It should have been clear that this hypothetical person is also not getting regular exercise, but so what? Responding with "actually, fat people who occasionally exercise can be relatively healthy" reveals how current you are with the research, but that's about it. It's as if you were to criticize the font I used.

I've been saying that about heavy smokers for years. No one seems to like kicking smokers off of insurance rolls, though.