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ThurgreedMarshall · 04-01-2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I've actually had women who were interested in me accuse me of not being forward enough, or being a snob or a dick because I didn't hit on them. How's that shit work? Just cause I'm a guy I have to chase you are around like a fucking chimp and lay tons of rap? What if I just feel like hanging out with friends and getting fucked up and wait for you to talk to me? Why should I have to got out and figure out who's interested - let her come to me.

Translation: I have no game.

TM

sebastian_dangerfield · 04-01-2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by purse junkie
Unburying this thread briefly because I helped to start the argument.

Sebby, like it or not, your second paragraph is the classic 'she asked for it' defense used by harassers to justify their behavior. This of course doesn't make you a date rapist or harasser. It does place you on the continuum of victim-blaming asses.

Back to ladylike and gentlemanly discreet polite ogling.

PJ,

Once the ref counts ten, you can't ask for a decision.

Please don't "like it or not" me when your point is clearly not globally recognized as correct. Emphasis is not proof.

I will not dissect the meaning of my second paragraph because its as plain as day (I'll leave that sort of post-mortem reinterpetation for PP). The only thing such an exercise would serve would be to give you a hook on which to hang a rebuttal. Noting that women want to look attractive (even using negative terms like "dolling up") does not make me an apologist for harrassment or a victim basher. That the phrases I used are somewhat similar to those used by such apologists does not mean the substance is the same. Scan my posts - you won't find a stitch of victim bashing.

I think you read my post quickly, which is easy to do on these boards, and made a snap judgment. I've done it myself many times.

S(a car backfiring may sound like a gun, but that does not make them the same thing)D

bilmore · 04-01-2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by leagleaze
If I am alone and a man makes a comment or whistles or stares at me, I feel threatened. That might not be his intent but it is how it makes me feel.

Just to be clear, though, you aren't speaking of a right that you have not to be stared at, correct? You are speaking of proper and polite behavior by the guy. right? But not claiming that your right to "not feel threatened by having your chest stared at" overrides my right to, without physical contact or threatening words or gestures, stare where I want?

(Just wondering how far this perception goes.)

sebastian_dangerfield · 04-01-2003, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Translation: I have no game.

TM

TM,

Touche. I was always terrible in bars.

Now at parties it was a different story...

Shit... who am I kidding. I wasn't that good there either.

S(thank God for booze and the fact that I ain't bad lookin)D

Not Bob · 04-01-2003, 04:48 PM

I can't believe someone named "box muncher" (I think) beat me with Toto's "Rosanna." Ah well.

Other songs? How about Carly Simon's "You're So Vain"? It was allegedly written about Warren Beatty. He was where he should be all the time. When he wasn't, he was with some underworld spy, or the wife of a close friend. Clearly vain.

And, while David Geffen is not a movie star, he now owns one third of a movie studio. So he counts, rightt? Anyway, Geffen is the dude in Joni Mitchell's "Free Man in Paris" written when Geffen was a music exec, dating Joni, and straight. NTTAWWT.

Replaced_Texan · 04-01-2003, 04:49 PM

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Originally posted by str8outavannuys
Can anyone help me with a list of songs about (preferably female) movie stars? I heard the original Candle in the Wind, and started trying to think of more. I haven't come up with very many:

Candle in the Wind
Uptown Girl
and the best of my short list:
One-Eyed Fiona (Julia Roberts -- sample lyric: "Her daddy's gone to heaven/her momma won't like you/her brother he's crazy/just might bite you").

Any more?

I'm too lazy to scroll to see if anyone's mentioned Bette Davis Eyes, not specifically about a movie star, but certainly references one.

leagleaze · 04-01-2003, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Just to be clear, though, you aren't speaking of a right that you have not to be stared at, correct? You are speaking of proper and polite behavior by the guy. right? But not claiming that your right to "not feel threatened by having your chest stared at" overrides my right to, without physical contact or threatening words or gestures, stare where I want?

(Just wondering how far this perception goes.)

Sure, you have that right, I would just think you were an ass.

04-01-2003, 04:54 PM

I thought "You're so vain" was about Mick Jagger?

Tyrone Slothrop · 04-01-2003, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Just to be clear, though, you aren't speaking of a right that you have not to be stared at, correct? You are speaking of proper and polite behavior by the guy. right? But not claiming that your right to "not feel threatened by having your chest stared at" overrides my right to, without physical contact or threatening words or gestures, stare where I want?

Interesting. Leagl was talking about the effects of leering on her, and bilmore changed the subject to "rights."

leagleaze · 04-01-2003, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Interesting. Leagl was talking about the effects of leering on her, and bilmore changed the subject to "rights."

Yes, it was rather out of left field. Or is it right field.

Whichever

bilmore · 04-01-2003, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by leagleaze
Sure, you have that right, I would just think you were an ass.

I understand that. I was just getting the impression that the conversation was treading very closely to the idea that staring at a women's clothed chest was a violation of a specific right.

Interesting that, when you read all of the posts in this thread, you can see very different subtexts in each one that pull the post meanings way away from the specific words of the other posters. Everyone here was right, and everyone here was arguing completely different points and issues from each other.

purse junkie · 04-01-2003, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Just to be clear, though, you aren't speaking of a right that you have not to be stared at, correct? You are speaking of proper and polite behavior by the guy. right? But not claiming that your right to "not feel threatened by having your chest stared at" overrides my right to, without physical contact or threatening words or gestures, stare where I want?

(Just wondering how far this perception goes.)

Right. Just like I had the right to glance then snort derisively towards the package region of a guy who did that to me. It certainly solved the problem.

04-01-2003, 05:05 PM

Anyone know how to forward PMs?

Never fuck with the paigow. mmmmmmmmmmmmhahahahahahaha

leagleaze · 04-01-2003, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by paigowprincess
Anyone know how to forward PMs?

Never fuck with the paigow. mmmmmmmmmmmmhahahahahahaha

Sure, there is a forward button down at the bottom of the screen.

purse junkie · 04-01-2003, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by purse junkie
Right. Just like I had the right to glance then snort derisively towards the package region of a guy who did that to me. It certainly solved the problem.

BTW Bilmore I know you weren't advocating such behavior of course, in case my wiseass comment gave the impression otherwise.

Perhaps what's needed is a nice new Handbook on Scoping Behavior for the Civilized. So that well-meaning folks on either side don't have to walk on eggshells wondering if they've crossed the line.

DS, please come back!