GO ABBA GO!!!

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
David Wells?

[huge fat photo redacted]

I get the funny, but I know you aren't serious because the recovery benefit of the drugs benefits the unfit maybe more than the fit, see e.g. Armando Benitez and Eric Gagne.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
It won't seems so gratuitous when, three years from now, the jurors in the Section 1983 case all tell the jury consultant that it was a key piece of evidence that resulted either in (1) a defense verdict; (2) a hung jury favoring the defense; or (3) a modest award of compensatories but no punitives against the officers.

And I also think it's an important fact for the public to know, because in the temporary absence of that evidence a rational person might reach a conclusion that the officers acted out of viciousness. Only an irrational person or a paid advocate would consider it irrelevant to the officers' state of mind.

or maybe the cop was just some weird variant on the scat freak.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
It won't seems so gratuitous when, three years from now, the jurors in the Section 1983 case all tell the jury consultant that it was a key piece of evidence that resulted either in (1) a defense verdict; (2) a hung jury favoring the defense; or (3) a modest award of compensatories but no punitives against the officers.

And I also think it's an important fact for the public to know, because in the temporary absence of that evidence a rational person might reach a conclusion that the officers acted out of viciousness. Only an irrational person or a paid advocate would consider it irrelevant to the officers' state of mind.

The point is that victim barfing is standard when giving mouth to mouth, so the cop wrongly implied that it was a big deal and the rescusitator (sp?) acted under unusual circumstances. ("HEY, SHE ACTUALLY THREW UP!") Once they discovered they'd killed her, you better believe they were trying to revive her.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Myabe it is just me, but I have a hard time listening to Stereo Total's Plotzlich Ist Alles Anders without imagining an impossibly thin Thurgreed marching back and forth across an Eastern European stage wearing a skin tight, gold lame toy soldier costume, lip syncing with exaggerated facial expressions and histrionic gestures while a troop of pretty boys lies in beds covered with flowing lace behind him, kicking their fishnet-stockinged legs up in ther air in coreographed maneuvers.

Maybe it is just me.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
The point is that victim barfing is standard when giving mouth to mouth, so the cop wrongly implied that it was a big deal and the rescusitator (sp?) acted under unusual circumstances. ("HEY, SHE ACTUALLY THREW UP!") Once they discovered they'd killed her, you better believe they were trying to revive her.

I think that's what you're taking from it. If, as a plaintiff's lawyer, you lose the motion in limine to suppress testimony about the york, you'll probably not want your expert MD to then testify in your rebuttal case that vomit is SOP for CPR, because the average cop has performed CPR more often that the average person, and at that point the jury's thinking that cops must put up with a lot of shit they didn't ever think about before.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
It won't seems so gratuitous when, three years from now, the jurors in the Section 1983 case all tell the jury consultant that it was a key piece of evidence that resulted either in (1) a defense verdict; (2) a hung jury favoring the defense; or (3) a modest award of compensatories but no punitives against the officers.

And I also think it's an important fact for the public to know, because in the temporary absence of that evidence a rational person might reach a conclusion that the officers acted out of viciousness. Only an irrational person or a paid advocate would consider it irrelevant to the officers' state of mind.

Judging from the video, the most that case would have is nuisance value.

That will not discourage some needledick from bringing it to scum a fast $30k fee out of the thing.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
The point is that victim barfing is standard when giving mouth to mouth, so the cop wrongly implied that it was a big deal and the rescusitator (sp?) acted under unusual circumstances. ("HEY, SHE ACTUALLY THREW UP!") Once they discovered they'd killed her, you better believe they were trying to revive her.

You may be right that barfing is standard when giving mouth to mouth. And a lot of EMTs and Cops probably know this. Most jurors are not EMTs, and none will be cops.

The jury will hear "Airport" and "went crazy" and "on the way to rehab" and "need for heightened security in airports since 9/11." And that will be the end of that case. A nominal award if anything, and even in that scenario a "reverse nullification" verdict, merely because the jury felt bad for the lady.

Not a good case.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You may be right that barfing is standard when giving mouth to mouth. And a lot of EMTs and Cops probably know this. Most jurors are not EMTs, and none will be cops. ....Not a good case.

I'm sure you and Atticus are right on the merits of a civil suit. My comment was that the cop narrator was a total ass for suggesting the cops were heroes for giving mouth-to-mouth to a vomiting woman -- something they are required and PAID WELL to do. And those boys would have eaten shit or any other body fluid to make the victim undead in order to save their own ass so the hero spin is laughable. Which means the narrator was so full of shit and that's about the end of the point. (Except I do think most people know about vomit during mouth to mouth. I think most schools teach first aid and the one thing that everyone remembers is how the non-breathing person can throw up in your mouth. )

[Anne Elk]

Originally posted by LessinSF
Eric Gagne.

If he's on them, they ain't helping.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
\My comment was that the cop narrator was a total ass for suggesting the cops were heroes for giving mouth-to-mouth to a vomiting woman -- something they are required and PAID WELL to do.

If your point is that law enforcement will take any opportunity to exaggerate how difficult their jobs are and how many sacrifices they make, especially by taking unusual circumstances and making it sound like they face mortal peril every day, that point is immediately conceded.

However, I disagree that the point was gratuitously made, for the reasons I mentioned. The public has a right to know how this entire incident went down, because if the cops exceeded societal norms they should experience the consequences. The fact that CPR is a job duty does not make the details irrelevant, nor do I think the spokesman is an ass for wanting the public to know what a death in custody really looks like. It's always sad, often tragic and sometimes criminal, but it isn't Abu Ghraib either.

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by Anne Elk
If he's on them, they ain't helping.

That's the point. Compare pre-testing Gagne to post- . Hell, he took longer than Giambi to recover.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by LessinSF
I get the funny, but I know you aren't serious because the recovery benefit of the drugs benefits the unfit maybe more than the fit, see e.g. Armando Benitez and Eric Gagne.

I had not heard that, and would have figured that users would be those trying to take care of themselves, which David Wells does not appear to do.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Myabe it is just me, but I have a hard time listening to Stereo Total's Plotzlich Ist Alles Anders without imagining an impossibly thin Thurgreed marching back and forth across an Eastern European stage wearing a skin tight, gold lame toy soldier costume, lip syncing with exaggerated facial expressions and histrionic gestures while a troop of pretty boys lies in beds covered with flowing lace behind him, kicking their fishnet-stockinged legs up in ther air in coreographed maneuvers.

Maybe it is just me.

Oh, it's not just you.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
If your point is that law enforcement will take any opportunity to exaggerate how difficult their jobs are and how many sacrifices they make... that point is immediately conceded.

Dude, and that is my point. The exaggeration of a totally common, standard act. Nothing to argue with; nothin to see here, cat.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Myabe it is just me, but I have a hard time listening to Stereo Total's Plotzlich Ist Alles Anders without imagining an impossibly thin Thurgreed marching back and forth across an Eastern European stage wearing a skin tight, gold lame toy soldier costume, lip syncing with exaggerated facial expressions and histrionic gestures while a troop of pretty boys lies in beds covered with flowing lace behind him, kicking their fishnet-stockinged legs up in ther air in coreographed maneuvers.

Maybe it is just me.

Oh Flower! you're worried about Abba, aren't you? Let me guess. the marathon route will take her through a Russian block, or a homosexual area, maybe a negro neighborhood, or all 3?

Flower, she'll be with thousands of other runners. It won't be like when you are going through those areas late at night on your way home from some club, and people accost you. She'll be fine.

It is sweet you're worried.